| IVOD_ID |
159901 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159901 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T11:20:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T11:33:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e59baf90206310e8e55410e0cc1efc9f3076318e8f2386bd9807ad72fc102174e05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:20:27 - 11:33:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、交通部就「市區道路品質改善計畫執行效益與檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次議案係114年度內政部國土管理署及所屬「生活圈道路交通系統建設計畫(市區道路)」業務費預算解凍條件之檢討改善專案報告】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請內政部劉世芳部長跟國土署伍興修署長劉部長 吳署長有請委員好部長好我想請教部長就是目前國土署在辦理道路改善有三項計畫正在進行那目前國土署執行情況也良好而且地方鄉鎮市公所也都給予高度的評價 |
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那現在還有幾個問題要請教部長跟署長就是關於經費補助的問題因為114年的總預算總統已經公佈了那立法院針對地方補助經費沒有三減也沒有凍結那為什麼現在補助的經費遲遲無法撥付給地方政府 |
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報告委員是這樣子就是說在我們3月21的時候呢是確實是總統有公布所謂的114年的這個相關的預算但是這裡面有一項我所瞭解就是說至暗難行的部分在於說原來啊 |
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一共有通山303億的部分我們已經處理好但是有一個就是行政院立法院要求行政院去自行去解決什麼叫山洞的部分有600多億那600多億的這個預算呢目前行政院跟立法院好像還沒有溝通好所以我們對最像是有疑慮的但是我現在的問題是說我們對於地方政府的補助經費也沒有刪減也沒有凍結那為什麼這個部分沒有辦法 |
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報告委員按照預算在執行的過程當中如果你已經是過去在長久執行的預算正在執行當中的話呢在我們的預算的這個撥補方面比較沒有問題但是如果是新增預算的話就會有這個問題 |
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有些是業務費的部分也是被凍掉那是不是可以請市長說明一下好了因為如果說是執行中的案子啦就是生活圈跟這個永續的部分執行中的案子大概都沒有問題那這是新增的提案的部分就是新增提案的部分那就是因為這個院還沒有做最後的確認的話我們也不確定但是我們審查還是維持有審查那也就是說不是新增的部分你們應該經費都要撥下去了是嗎 |
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就是執行中的部分比較沒有問題執行中的唯有問題是那所以你現在提的是指說還有286案還待核定的這些案件嗎我說明一下前瞻的部分就完全沒有辦法因為前瞻沒有通過前瞻沒有通過所以前瞻的部分是完全我想請一下署長就是說前四次這是第五期嘛前四次四期的這個前瞻計畫你們也常常是遇到先核定 |
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之後然後經費才通過才撥補下去的有這種狀況吧我說明一下好了因為如果說現在前瞻是因為這一期完全沒有到目前完全沒有通過所以我們審查完以後也有核定但是我們就現在告訴他因為預算完全請問一下署長過去四期有沒有這種狀況就是我們的前瞻的預算都還沒審查完我們就已經有這個公告核定然後只是等經費下來再撥補下去我說明一下好了 |
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次期的過去的前瞻有凍結但是都是書面報告而且我們都在1月份就直接提解凍書面書面只要送過來就解決了那現在為什麼不提呢現在第一個這是專案報告第二個就是說就像剛剛部長所提到的因為院還有這一個部分但是前瞻是完全沒有提啊前瞻是在立法院完全沒有排案 |
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不是總預算好那這個部分的話只要立法院有排案的話你們就可以馬上來處理嗎預算沒有三讀前瞻預算沒有三讀對那以往前四期我知道有遇到這樣的一個狀況沒有這個問題沒有他只有那所以前瞻預算沒有三讀就我們馬上排案的話就馬上可以來處理是這樣嗎 |
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那就要看大院的這個部分那針對這個部分的話我想請教一下就是說因為其實提升道路品質的計畫今年就要屆滿嘛那地方公所人家有改善這個道路品質的需求那所以請問一下這個時候115年的預算正在進行籌編能不能有新的計畫繼續推動沒有因為前瞻就到今年就結束了但是前瞻結束之後未來的這些道路品質改善計畫這些的 |
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這相關的工程那應該是要有什麼樣子的一個方式能夠持續來進行因為它原來就是特別預算在公務預算的原來的編列裡面這個本來都是屬於地方的權責我剛剛講的是115年現在在編列預算嘛那所以你們是不是有應該要提出這樣相關的預算我說明一下就是原來在公務預算的認定裡面 |
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提升道路品質也就是道路的重新跑鋪是屬於地方的全責如果沒有特別預算的話公務預算在過去在編列的時候他是不同意的 |
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那所以你現在的意思就是說只要地方的預算不足的話你們還是可以編列公務預算來去做這樣子的沒有就是公務預算裡面因為這是屬於地方的權責所以這個部分在公務預算裡面也就是說現在我們的財化法通過之後那當地方有經費的時候就可以用這筆錢來去做那也是地方政府要自行自行那就是說現在找到這個今年結束之後有關的品質感應計畫就跟國土署沒有關係了是嗎不是是因為我們就沒有就不會再編列了 |
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對 那如果有需要編列你們會不會編列有需要也是要院這邊 因為主計單 主計處的就是有需要你們應該也要提出請主計處這邊看是不是能夠整個預算的通盤檢討嘛 是這樣嗎不過因為現在遇到財化法也遇到這樣的問題那就是事權分工的問題嘛 大家可以來好好的討論一下要重新再討論 |
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那另外這個想請教一下部長就是你最近全台跑透透參加這個人民事頭家的活動那因為您發言的內容其中參雜的一些我們可以先看一下影片那個聲音好嗎 |
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可以暫停一下嗎沒有聲音 |
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這個聲音可以弄出來嗎 |
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早上有事故早上有事故 |
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好部長您在這個影片當中提到的就是說我們砍了200億的這個預算喔導致75萬的出戶族領不到補貼喔請問一下我們有哪一個提案砍掉內政部200 |
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報告委員我對於裡面講說公然造謠說謊是完全否認的我跟委員再重新講一次你給我一分鐘的時間第一個我們在今年有送到行政院所謂的300億中央擴大租金補貼住宅補助等這些部分送到行政院要求行政院給我們撥補總數總數是400億 |
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的相關的部分那但是呢在住宅基金裡面呢有一項就是如果他要新撥補200億的話需要行政院的中央政府總預算通過才能撥補給我們那這個部分呢在行政院包括我們的院長 |
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他在同樣多次的這個演講裡面也提到這裡面有一個總預算可不可以比去年多中央政府總預算增加2806億的時候有一個擴大租金補貼的新建設宅就是200億我現在所指的這個部分但是呢因為有一些委員 請問是國民黨還是民眾黨把他砍掉了嗎 |
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我們在那個最後在立法院院會的時候是這樣子舉手通過的行政院的114年度的總預算您再給我一點時間然後再來就是很多人把我們自己在國土署裡面的部分引用的是台灣民眾黨的那個10%然後3%變成41.4億所以兩個黨團裡面所說的部分是指國土署的那個部分 |
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跟我所說的這個200億的這個租金補貼是屬於新要放到我們的內政部裡面來做的住宅基金是不一樣的所以呢我不清楚說為什麼有一些委員呢沒有清除這所有所講的狀況之下然後說我是不忍罩人跟說我不能夠承認這個部分就是會影響75萬租戶是 |
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報告委員原來在上一年度的時候我們的租金補貼是50萬戶但是我們後來在跟行政院要求的時候就是我們的預估可能會達到75萬戶所以現在所說的200億是從這個75萬戶裡面的比例在往前推的好那請問一下國土府那邊我們針對剛剛講的這個400億中凍結10%的這個41億的會凍結41億的部分會讓75萬人全數拿不到租金補助嗎 |
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我說如果這算法上就是說因為我們現在變成說每一個月每一個月至少要31億到36億之間的數字所以最有可能就是到11月就完全不夠了所以說到11月嘛是嗎因為你租金補貼是每個月發放的所以到11月也就是說11月之前你只要提出解凍案就應該沒有這個問題吧也不會讓75萬租戶拿不到吧 |
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對因為他變成說因為現在還有一個中央政府總預算的這個統三的600多億還沒有確認所以我們現在變成到底他最後能不能給我們這個我們也不知道請問一下這個414億的部分我們這個案子是凍結10%沒錯吧是 |
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對那所以剛剛你也提到嘛到11月之後可能才會影響影響到12月份的部分那是按照如果說其他都沒有沒有改變的話就是照這個方式對那是不是只要你盡快的提出這個案子的解凍案送到我們這個我們這個委員會來提出解凍的申請我相信我們的招委一定會盡快的排案這個第一個是 |
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對 程序問題就政院要跟立委這邊 立委院要交辦那所以是行政院的問題囉也不是 就是我們剛剛回到剛剛那一個基本的問題因為還沒有辦法自愛難省通案的部分 剛剛你們提到630幾億的這個通案我們覺得可以先跳過 但是非通案的部分其實就可以先提出報告啦非通案的部分咧 |
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通刪的部分303億行政院都通刪了但是以這個案子來說我們就凍結百分之十立法院要求就是說有多的636億要行政院自己回去要看你要刪哪裡凍哪裡但是目前為止我們並沒有這樣的一個定案非常致案難行沒有任何一個提出來致案難行的地方大家共同來討論我們也提出來了嘛就是說有什麼致案難行的地方就提到立法院來大家共同來找出解方嘛而不是現在擺爛你知道嗎 |
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報告徐委員在行政院提出復議案的時候已經把治癌難行跟違憲還有違預算法的部分都已經寫清楚了但是因為表決之後我們還是行政院沒有報通過立法院的這個其實以這個案子啦其實我知道郭平淑每一步都已經在抱怨了其實這個案子早就已經把解凍的報告寫好只是因為長官請問我們希望說自來水龍頭打上自來水龍頭大廈趕快為了人民為民生為主 |
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因為部長我覺得我們還是要以民生為主啦希望這個部分趕快的來去處理能夠解凍就趕快提出來我們的召委都已經提前來做這樣的專案報告就是希望節省時間所以只要我們提出來我們就是要拜託行政院是不是能夠行政院是不是能夠提出來的提出好嗎對 那是不是請行政院能夠提出好嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝徐益臻委員我再次跟委員會報告說明啦就其實當然我們理解啦就是說因為你有一個通商的壓力在那個地方 |