| IVOD_ID |
159888 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159888 |
| 日期 |
2025-04-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-23,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-04-07T10:37:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-04-07T10:45:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c41b1a0504d137e5eee26d8646aef285daa51b2df98f8e7f9acb4c1531107a794447f47351fe5e595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:09 - 10:45:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-04-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查一、委員蔡其昌等17人、二、委員林宜瑾等27人、三、委員楊瓊瓔等21人及四、委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第十條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
【以上各案詢答完畢後，進行處理】） |
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好 謝謝召委 我們請伍次長跟馮總經理請次長跟馮總委員好好 次長好 最近台鐵公司在交通部的考程 |
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引發一些爭議我先請問一下這個台鐵的票箱收入佔整個台鐵的營業收入大概多少報告委員我們票箱收入佔我們營業的整個收入如果不含政府補助是79%那如果含政府補助大概是55%左右那台鐵自從這個公司化以後 |
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一般照公司的邏輯要賺錢可是一個國營的公司應該以賺錢為目的 |
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我問次長你覺得一個國營的鐵路公司不全然社會的責任還是在所以有些時候要配合政府的政策所以我是建議交通部在對台鐵公司做考程的時候這部分一定要納入考量 |
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因為它跟譬如說跟中華郵政不一樣它跟這一個一些交通部所屬的這些公司啊這個在做考程的時候啊不一樣因為台鐵像現在也要承擔TPAS也要承擔各縣市的敬老愛心卡 |
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那這個部分對台鐵來說多這些業務跟以前在台鐵局的時候這個差很多那這都給走給了雖然中央政府最後都還是給了補貼或者縣市政府給了補貼但是你說要變成做了這件事情多賺到錢其實很困難所以這塊請交通部務必在台鐵公司做考程的時候把這一條納入考量第二這個我們現在推動這個TPAS |
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占台鐵目前的營業收入大概多少T-BUS目前占我們的收入大概是百分之二十左右那如果占票箱收入占整體票箱收入就占我們的整個票箱收入是14%占整個票箱收入14%這一塊也是交通部也要補貼 |
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對 這個部分其實台鐵TPAS是只收9折的票價那其餘的就是交通部還有地方政府他們有一個那個這個金流庫那台鐵公司因為執行了TPAS的計畫對台鐵的財務造成負擔還是對台鐵來說整體是好的 |
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這個部分在台鐵的運量部分如果從整體運量我們的運量從TPAS執行以後是有持續在增加但是因為我們還有負擔社會責任就是有9折的票價所以整個就整體收入而言我們是還要承擔部分的社會責任所以站在公司的立場這個 |
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台鐵公司去執行T-PASS各自發起責任感不感興趣嗎就剛才證實說我們還要承擔社會責任讓大家的通勤能夠更便利還有可以負擔 |
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好 那台鐵因為公司化以後的薪水分兩塊那原來的員工 尤其是跟技術部門有關的員工我想台鐵公司也一直希望能夠把這些員工留下來那因為既然公司化 跟一般的公務體系不太一樣公務體系就是你時間到了 烤雞到了就往上升 對不對 |
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那公司化對於比較這一個公司希望他留下來的這些人才在薪資上就台鐵公司目前的薪資結構上有沒有彈性這部分跟委員報告因為他那時候選擇的是選擇原來的資位制就是留任所以他還是適用原來的薪資這樣一個制度所以沒有彈性 |
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可以這麼說彈性很小那可不可以把它變成有彈性一點現在我們在考慮他那個主管家級看可不可以去做中間做一些調整對 因為你現在新進的員工在技術上可能也補不上 |
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那資深的員工可能留下來還要做傳承他時間一夠 薪水還沒去他可能就想要走這都很有可能所以在留住資深員工尤其是技術部門 |
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那個客服部門啊 這個重要 不是 這個有沒有必要把他那麼留下來用那麼高的薪水把他留下來 就跟技術部門相比就不太一樣所以技術部門的這部分我建議你們一定要能夠把他在談 薪水上能夠有彈性是那剛剛提到這個你們的徵才啊 有時候不太容易喔 |
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那現在台鐵公司有沒有具體跟技職體系的學校真的有具體的合作計畫也就是說他可能念高中開始 念高中開始其實就台鐵員工的一部分那台鐵介入到這個學校的授課那他高中高中念完三年之後其實就馬上上位了那台鐵派員工到學校去上課 |
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那這些學生很快就變台鐵員工目前有沒有具體的這樣的計畫我們針對這個所謂的產學合作目前其實是有在推好像是八所的高中高中職針對這部分我們跟他們合作那這個有沒有保障 |
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目前是只有產學合作的管道他們還是要透過考試我覺得你們應該介入他們的課程然後保障他們這樣這些學校也很好招生就是國中畢業他去讀這間高中他就叫台鐵科 |
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台鐵科啦 要不然我告訴你台鐵科他高一級就開始在技術工開始二你們派資深的員工去做老師然後這樣訓練三年那上課實習的場域都在台鐵的維修場域在技術部門的場域三年後他就被台鐵公司的員工 |
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像你不用訓練啊學校就幫你訓練而且你們的資深員工就剛好是老師不然你這樣有時候你們雜入這樣的產學而做啊有點在牽MOU的感覺 |
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有點在形式上我建議這一塊他能不能跟教育部大家討論一下怎麼樣讓他能夠具體的落實最後一個問題是當時台鐵從這個政府部門變成公司化的時候台鐵公司也提出如果台鐵公司化可以提升行車安全你們要記得這個承諾那這個承諾目前達成的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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目前以現在目前的數據看起來是還有很大的空間關鍵在哪裡我想安全文化的意識沒有升值 |
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好就是說公司化那意識啊安全意識全體員工都要一起加強那這一塊就是要台鐵跟這個台鐵工會跟所有的員工尤其是領導的階層大家要一起成長一起努力否則裡面當時答應台灣社會說這個台鐵公司化行政安全會提升的當時要公司化這是很重要的關鍵 |
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那如果沒有達成那當時公司化的承諾就是跳票所以這一塊希望台鐵公司從領導階層到最基層的員工大家一起對行車安全一起努力好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |