iVOD / 159819

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IVOD_ID 159819
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159819
日期 2025-03-31
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-3-19-6
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 3
會議資料.會次 6
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-03-31T11:20:09+08:00
結束時間 2025-03-31T11:32:40+08:00
影片長度 00:12:31
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 邱志偉
委員發言時間 11:20:09 - 11:32:40
會議時間 2025-03-31T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「2025年防洪抗旱計畫」進行報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 旱災跟水災並不是現在才有並不是因為完全是極端氣候造成的以前當然有水災也有旱災那目前因為極端氣候造成說它發生的頻率會增加或者它的規模會擴大或者它不可測性會增加所以以我的觀察目前抗旱跟防洪不可能同時成立 對不對這兩個災害不可能同時發生嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 水太縮 水太少 有時候一夕之間就反轉過去很多的記錄是對 以long term來看不可能說兩個致災性或者巨大致災不可能同時發生一定是有它的間歇性那以發生頻率來看我覺得是近幾年來大概有百年大旱因為幾年颱風都沒進來那這個反而是如果說正常性一年有五六個颱風入境台灣
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 為什麼南科沒有來那個 那個南科就沒有問題嗎不是 是中科統一負責所有的業務那基本上我們都是照中科統一 這個我覺得有問題輪值 我們是輪值 對還要輪值啊對對中科了解南科的這個這個繁紅的狀況嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 你應該是一個獨立的由南科有一個抗災防洪小組中科有一個小組然後竹科有一個小組他不可能輪值去管全國的科學園區的防洪或者這個防洪的規劃是跟我們報告他是輪值彙整其實是各個園區自行規劃是這個你們自錄再檢討一下是好那個今天的報告請教一下經濟部副大次長
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 四月份北中南東各區召開防汛準備會議我認為應該是各縣市你應該落實到各縣市比如說南區來說南區裡面包括澎湖、嘉義、南對不對到屏東這個各縣市的防洪狀況不一樣我認為你應該落實到各縣市多幾次的會議而已要說得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 比方說這個高雄你有點寶溪治水防洪那個還有這個後津溪治水防洪屏東還有屏東的問題 嘉義的問題 台南的問題啊你不能一個區分市場你就把它辦完了沒有
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 跟委員所說明的我們每一個縣市會從核酸分屬先檢討如委員所說的方式每一個流域每一個風險點都盤點出來那至於說四個分區的部分是把每一個縣市檢討出來可改善的部分在當地馬上就要處理了我認為應該是這樣擴大到各區分散到各區然後縣市所長都要列席
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 因為縣市首長是第一線的指揮官所以我希望說要落實到各縣市
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 基本上我們有自己的所謂的自己可以動用的這個抽水機很大部分是委外我知道嘛每一個抽水站大部分它有它這個委外的公司委外有管理員在那邊管理這個抽水站那個有時候開這個閘門要打開的時候沒打該關的時候沒關會造成自災所以這部分你要怎麼去檢討這個廠商的責任第一個所有的設施包括移動式的抽水機我們有一個QR code
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 他現在在哪個地方 他的妥善率怎麼樣他這個馬上可以回傳 聯繫的機制一定要很完整讓里長 讓區長能夠迅速能夠掌握到這個水閘門的狀況什麼時候開 什麼時候關 什麼時候閉所以這部分是不是可以落實一下這個對水閘門或者這個戳水站 戳水機相關的管理可以嗎這個我們已經有在 但是委員所說的我們在盡興
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 現在它的價格 我請教你再生水的每度大概多少錢那個以那個鳳山來講它大概是18塊18港橋大概是會到35塊35塊那很多的大廠都在港橋橋頭科學園區以及男子產業園區好 要30塊那你現在一般的供應用水一度多少錢一般的供應用水水價差不多12塊好
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 加上耗水費的14 零五個場上你會選擇什麼
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 那基本上這個耗水費是有針對於說不同的這個用戶的級距若是它回收率太低的話它的費率會更高有一千七百家用水大戶都是工業大戶對不對所以耗水費它對工業大戶也有產生去輸出力另外的它這個再生水的比例也符合這個也要按照這個規定那他們怎麼辦基本上你的供不應求啊市長
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 我們會第一個會請內政部加速那剛剛所提到的那個16座的這個再生水廠的建置之外除此之外因為他不是廠建完他就可以供水因為他要收集到都市的所謂的集中性 據我了解再生水廠的進度遠比他們設廠的進度還慢
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 他們用再生水的時候還沒有供水啊你們給他用未雨綢繆這個狀況如果不是因為我爭取才多了7萬噸否則你這個沒有辦法完成這個達成這個對高科技廠商或者這個用水大戶的這個再生水的供應
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 這部分我想請市長你協調一下這個這個內政部國路署協調一下這個園區管理局那個科學園區管理局相關於園區的治水防洪的作為應該有一個統一的主管機關由經濟部來督導來協調另外因為你們是治水專家嘛國科會不見得治水專家但是國科會
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 那所管的科學園區裡面的這個罰紅制也至關重要啊科學園區不能有淹水的問題啊所以你應該拉高層級由經濟部的這個水利專家經濟部水利署來針對各園區管理局科學園區另外針對這個再淹水的部分怎麼去檢討他的這個供應的問題另外這個
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 污水這個下水道啊污水下水道在內政部我也想請教一下過去都會區啊六都的都會區沒有問題但是六都裡面非都會區啊比方說我的選區是六都裡面高雄市裡面非都會區比方說從這個橋頭以北入竹永安這個彌陀子關比較海線的地方都沒有任何污水下水道的規劃啦這部分這個內政部有沒有什麼想法
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 都計區內我們大概就是依照那個各縣政府提報的計畫來配合來協助來以補助執行至於非都地區目前我們行政院也在討論如何對非都地區的這些聚落室來做一個處理這個目前行政院在研議當中你知道我也想在鹿竹有一個蓋一個這個再生水場但是他沒有污水跟雨水下水道系統他就沒有辦法蓋再生水場
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 這個部分我們回去再來檢討一下啦那當然這個有跟量的問題啦如果那個沾水場實在量很少的時候其實它是完全不符成本的它可能後來算在水價廠商用不起來那你要先建構好污水、雨水、下水道系統才能有足夠的量嘛那你看我的選區全部都是沒有任何污水、下水道的建設規劃甚至沒有開辦這部分中央要協調地方來提出計畫所以我們再跟高雄市我們再來討論好 謝謝
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