| IVOD_ID |
159809 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159809 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-31T10:45:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-31T11:00:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22902bedf9a457e59a3fcb0041ce388481b41d2d230a5ab3c75f6b5b4b5fbf8cec9b031307793c685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:22 - 11:00:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部、中央銀行、國家發展委員會及法務部就「如何促進台灣金融市場規模發展之執行策略（包括國際金融業務OBU，國際保險業務OIU，國際證券業務OSU)」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 戰場委員 先進列席政府金管首長官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請金管會彭主委財政部阮次長央行的朱副總裁那最後面呢會請法務部的劉司長準備 |
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好 彭主委還有藍次長那還有那個朱副總裁委員好先請教主委主委覺得今天天氣冷嗎還好 可以還好 |
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那我覺得今天的詢問你看有點冷清這個題目很重要我看大家寫的洋洋灑灑但是呢感覺上有人一頭熱有人幾頭冷不好意思我這樣說我今天的題目呢叫做國資撐國建本國的資金來撐起本國的基礎建設然後金融市場要國際化那雅灣先試點要導入外商 |
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外包括國外的專業者商國外的商品但是要配套好讓我們來往下看一下今天這個題目呢我們的招委定的很大他就是說要促進台灣的金融市場規模發展要如何執行對不對那主委是不是說我們這個題目隱含著台灣的金融市場規模要壯大 |
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那當然 我們的金融市場要支撐經濟當然規模要持續的隨著經濟成長那這一點我看央行也很支持央行昨天的新聞就把他們報告人家寫了一篇台灣的超額儲蓄有壯大金融市場規模的效果那執行的策略我看這邊寫了一堆大概都是歐字頭的都是所謂的國際化的事務那為什麼主委認為透過我們的金融國際化可以壯大我們本國的這個金融市場規模 |
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我想我們在整個這次主推的是資產管理那資產管理的概念就是說這個資產的所有權是我們的資金擁有者那怎麼樣透過一個專業的團隊幫他做最有效的配置跟所謂的資產的保全我想這是我們在做這當然會促進我們金融市場的發展比如他的徵聘人他的業績會增加 營收會增加這些都是未來整個金融市場發展很重要的業務好 那終究我們要問一個事情啦 |
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讓這些高資產者他把他的資產留在國內留資嘛先留資再引資嘛那撞到我們的金融市場然後呢有個目的嘛我們來看一下我舉例啊那麼請三位這個政府看一下我舉豐電為例啦這個我就直接寫出來因為報紙的報導嘛就豐苗一期這是CIP哥本哈根他們這個虱目基金他CIP他所說的為什麼國際的虱目基金要來投資台灣的豐電市場 |
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為什麼獲利可期嘛好賺他會再來嘛還在台灣做綠色轉型當然那是我們的目的但是對他來講呢像這種虱目基金他的投報率要高所以顯然的在台灣開闢封廠離岸封廠是投資爆頭率很高的地方如果成功是成功的話那當然高風險高獲利高獲利一定有高風險不見得會成功一旦成功了他再把這個封廠經營權轉給其他的這個合計資金然後呢 |
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這個時候呢他就可以從可能的接手的是我們是我們台灣的保險業者是不是這樣是好那我想請問一下你認為既然這個錢可以賺他們說他們這一期呢募得了CI第五期募得了130億美金你認為他從國際上募的資金有沒有台灣的資金去的台灣的高資產各位去買的 |
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我想這部分我沒有證據你推論推論我覺得應該以台灣在全球的資金量應該是有參與的可能有參與的可能我問過了沒有為什麼沒有我不清楚但是CIP說他們在第三期第四期台灣的資金參與的還不錯但這成一個問題了CIP它是一個國際的虱目基金 |
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他來台灣拿國際資金可以獲得高獲利再分潤給他的一個投資者但是台灣的投資者台灣自己本國的高資產者呢他卻要去參與他的第三期第四期結果他回過來是投資我們台灣重要的工建而這個工建還保證他一定可觀的獲利不是保證啦 很可能啦你覺得這是什麼原因我們來看一下就是今天的再往下 像米其林 |
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今天我們說為什麼要推動雅灣台灣的有錢人去哪裡吃米其林在全球各地所以這些米其林的大廚吸引全世界各地的老饕美食家有錢人去他那邊吃 |
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那現在如果我們引進一個米其林的大廚來到台灣他有可能就是把我們國內要去國際吃的這些美食家有錢人就不用出國啦就在國內可以吃啦是不是這樣子那初期經營要先找國外的大廚來嘛或許未來可以培養我們國內的米其林天廚是不是這樣這是一個方法而且這個米其林天廚如果培養出來了會吸引國際的有錢人老饕來到台灣吃 |
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那這樣的比喻,那對台灣來講,多幾家本土的米其林天廚跟米其林餐廳有什麼好處?除了滿足其他國家的有錢人之外,我們得到什麼?當然這個除了我們當本地客戶可以就地得到國際級的服務以外,另外也會吸引到國際的人來這邊接受服務。 |
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重點是他是用本國的食材啦我覺得他可以大量採用本國的食材所以我們現在往上看往回跳這是日本的方式嘛所以我們今天我們要做亞灣我們心中的目標初期台灣沒有米其林餐廳沒有米其林天廚我們開一家餐廳請外國的天廚來他帶來外國的食材帶來外國的料理帶來外國的菜單 |
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但是呢可能是外國的饕客來吃但是呢可以造福本國的饕客但終究我們希望未來台灣多幾家米其林餐廳多自己本國的天廚使用本國的食材這是我們的目的嘛是的好那現在呢我們的次長我們的副總裁我來看一下 |
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這裡面請問財政部你認為在推動這個事項上台灣作為亞洲資產管理中心台灣要設一個亞灣的試點財政部幫忙了什麼事情 |
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你們幫了什麼事情我們第一個就是要就是基本上我們有兩大部分那你直接講你們覺得你們做了什麼事今晚會覺得你們幫上嗎第一個就是可以增加這個公共建設相關的金融商品我們是鼓勵會發行這個永續債你們這裡面大概在第三頁啦才第二大段一點點來 彭主委你認為跨部會協助財政部協助你什麼 |
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財政部在我們在協助OIU租稅優惠延伸協助OSU延伸都沒什麼然後呢鼓勵公股銀行財政部鼓勵公股銀行進入專區這個都很基本的嘛然後呢提供TESA的租稅建議有嗎其實在我們一開始接觸的時候你們拜託財政部提供的TESA的租稅優惠財政部有幫忙什麼嗎 |
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財政部在一開始給我們很多的資訊跟一些的思考我覺得非常感謝第一個就是比如說上次我們在前一次說明的一個就是主委你講的很客氣我問過財政部趁你不在的時候他說他們提供的這個租車優惠很夠用的不過用不完我請他們回去盤點 |
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到現在呢還不曉得但是倒是有一個我很好奇的您說財政部有協助你們與本位及櫃買中心建立三方聯繫機制協助各級政府辦理發債有嗎現在有地方政府透過你們的協助開始發債了嗎這是我們在造園投資計畫裡面我們以內公債有嗎今年還是創新低耶 |
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我們還是有各個地方政府發永續債還是有來財政部你們有幫忙嗎幫忙地方政府發債了嗎目前地方政府已經發了永續債已經發了157億那我們會持續來鼓勵他們以內公債是不是有史以來最低的以內公債的更多以內公債目前我統治的結果是三年來最低的 |
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但是到目前為止已經發行了大概1474億這部分是我一列公債所以永續債這一部分那我們現在已經就要求地方政府能夠如果符合我們希望未來這個雅資中心引進來國際的資金是來購買我們本地的尤其地方政府可以保障它的基層建設地方建設公共建設基礎建設包裝成商品來出賣給他們對不對所以我們才說 |
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央行協助今晚會在推動雅灣或者是說雅致中心做了哪些事情你們寫的很多呢 |
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我們請大家看到 換到我們的夜市我知道 夜市 夜舞 我講完啦但是你看完了對不對 你有沒有看財政部怎麼寫財政部只有第二大項 中央營養協助四項 1 2 3 |
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第二點,OIU商品多元化,OIU新設計還有第三點,把你們的結會金額個人從500提高到1000公司有5000萬提高到1億你們做那麼多,你們寫那麼多,財政部今晚會認為說你們就幫幫他這些事情而已我們央行寫的比較總體就是用分類那財政部講的都在我們這些裡面好,我今天坦白說我看了三個部位的報告 |
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開放家族辦公室的業務這是誰開放的這是我們先開放我們可以做諮詢服務業務目前用什麼方式可以達到家業或財務傳承 |
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他現在當然我們現在幾個工具啦一個比如信託還有就是說我們現在的做一個財富管理的部分本來就有幫助你剛講到關鍵字信託這是我們舉一個例子我們把他的名字引航起來這是一個家族企業要財富傳承的目的大概是這個架構那怎麼樣確保家族成員出售股權造成家族企業的資本這個股權外流而將家族財產信託會遇到什麼問題 |
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當然就是現在比如說我們現在的信託架構當然跟相較於比如說其他國家我們有看比如說他們的信託的那個期間可以很長比如說有些沒有期限有些100年那台灣的架構呢是這樣不過我們有跟法務部在做協調法務部也給我們提出一些想法來我們看一下這是我們法務部司長 |
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這是一個國售的李長庚先生他說台灣的信託法是一大障礙很多有些人不能愛台灣只有進入戶口名簿的名字才能收益人以至於家族傳承的資金都跑到海外去做財管為什麼?市長現在台灣的信託法第三代上位出生的或者說還沒有結婚的可以成為信託的收益人嗎?未來 |
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現在委員的詢問因為這涉及到我們信託法現行的法制能不能符合未來財政部金管會的相關的需求那整個設計上因為這個議題涉及到所謂的 |
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目的失業 目的信託的問題目的信託對 涉及到目的信託那因為目的信託現在在信託法的解釋上有不同的見解有人認為信託法可以規範已經有規範目的信託有些認為沒有規範 |
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到底現在這個問題能解決嗎那因為目的信託它最主要是沒有受益人目的信託最主要是因為沒有受益人那它相關的制度呢它需要的相關的制度跟現行的信託法還沒有辦法完全的吻合所以法務部目前正在研修信託法那我們目前優先研議的是公益信託接下來就會繼續研議金管會所提到的目的信託好來 彭主席最後一句主席站起來了 |
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聽到沒有 您聽到了他們優先研議公益信託你們希望的第二步在做所以是不是 主委要怎麼樣請法務部可以積極的來協助你們如果真的要做高資產客戶包括這些家族辦公室包括做財富傳承在國內 國外的法制它沒有問題國內有問題國內遇到這個問題怎麼解決 多久可以解決可以跟法務部一起共同研究來處理嗎 |
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當然我想除了剛剛修信託法是一個解決方法以外其實我們也還可以研議其他的方式來怎麼樣去解決不用修法就可以解決嗎我們正在研究我現在不敢說這是一個肯定的不過我們先因為修法畢竟是一個比較久不確定性比較高假設有其他方式比如說我們還有主管的信託業法 |
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那這部分如果說有這個空間的話我們一起來努力反正老問題 新方法我們來試試看等等等等 各位主席 等一下信託業法跟信託法是不一樣的一個是規範信託業者一個是規範信託的本質剛剛說目的信託因為目的信託的受益人這個部分的問題造成台灣跟其他國家國家做財富傳承的時候他們不會有這個問題那台灣我們就會遇到這個司法性的問題所以多久可以跟法務部共同來 請法務部 |
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協助或你們共同怎麼樣把這個問題做解決嗎是 因為這是行政院的政策我想法務部你私下再跟嘉賓委員做報告了那主委呢我們當然希望法務部盡快的來協助我們啦好 謝謝我希望呢 在下次在談這個議題呢各部位的報告啊 最好能夠對準啦不要說 央行說你們做了一堆 |
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金管會看到只有三段財政部做的事情跟金管會期待的好像有點落差在這年之後我們希望再請召委繼續排定這個議題我們共同來推動好不好謝謝 |