| IVOD_ID |
159754 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159754 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T13:03:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T13:11:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9002ec09d80356e6eb97648dfe0a0275fc53cf129e64e549d19d9cc7248204e3c0a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張雅琳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:03:14 - 13:11:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們有請那個衛福部次長 謝謝 |
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好其實我本來沒有要問這個題目但是我剛剛在聽你詢問大家的時候我就非常好奇就是兒少全法這個其實民間一直不停的在倡議從我自己在民間的時候一直在講所以我想知道因為剛剛說您有提到說現在已經有安排了很多的研商也有些專家座談會但我想做一個提醒就是說因為我們過去在做兒少全法我們都是把兒童當作一個被保護的課題 |
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沒錯我希望這個修法是要回到權力的主體所以就等於是說這個重點是什麼重點就是說他並不是一個被保護的人而是他相關的正進步的主動的權利像是發言表達參與公共事務的這些權利促進他發展讓他可以面對未來世界變化的權利沒錯這些東西希望在徵詢相關意見的時候也都應該要有相對的份量我希望這是做一個提醒可以嗎 |
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我知道委員過去一直以來確實整個都是在整個兒童權利有很多的倡議也有很多很多的主張那我跟委員報告我們現在就是根據CRC的精神用權利公約確實成如委員剛剛所說的其實現在目前的每一個兒童都是一個獨立自由的自主的個體而且是一個主體他們當然就是在成長過程裡面他們當然是一個必須要被呵護但是他自己本身的自由心靈自由的主體 |
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一定要絕對要獲得相對的這個保障所以我們在相關的一些委員討論的時候會不會邀請相關的專家學者呢在這個部分有關於表議權的部分也都有邀請嗎因為我知道大家過去都比較強調在保護的部分啦所以這個部分到時候有一些專家名單是不是也可以提供讓我們參考一下好的好的一定好謝謝謝謝次長那我們接下來請勞動部次長謝謝我的 |
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好 次長今天想要來針對這個我們這個少子女化的問題來跟次長討論一下這題其實已經討論了非常非常非常久那國安危機也到現在還是國安危機啦那其實女性不願意生養這是不願意生養其實去年經濟學人都有一些相關的研究 |
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這基本上是世界潮流啦最主要就是說大家不願意犧牲自己的生活品質但是呢現金補助還有一些就是權力的提升還是能夠多少有一些刺激喔但其實呢我自己在看2023年的Social Science and Medicine的一個職場文化研究呢它其實就追蹤了五千名科技台灣的五千名科技業的女性喔在生育三年後 |
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生育後的三年內離職率高達58%男性申請育嬰家的比例大約31.2%男性實際參與育兒的大概只有12%那其實我也知道說這個職場的改革對於生育率其實是某種程度會有一些些影響那其實去年我們做了一些談心育嬰的事辦計畫那其實也有一些檢討 |
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第一個當時就是有講到就是共通性與整體性的一些建議啦然後第二個就是行政制度與實務上面的困難第三個就是雇主管理考量第四個是針對照顧價 家庭照顧價與照顧對象的具體建議 |
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這邊我先講一下第一個部分大家在講的就是行政程序太過複雜了我現在看起來都會覺得說這個希望都可以用到現在以民間來說他們都希望可以用時來請但是光以現在以日來請好像行政程序上面都會相對的困難所以想要了解接下來我們要怎麼來解決這個行政效率的問題 |
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跟委員說明因為這個是那個育嬰留職停薪它不是一個假的概念而且最重要是他必須要依照這個規定的程序去申請育嬰留職停薪津貼就到勞保局去申請津貼那不過我們勞保局他其實去年開始就已經簡化這個申請程序了 |
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所以行政程序上面針對於勞保局這邊都不會有什麼問題是嗎在處理這些份量來說因為如果你未來我們接下來都是以日或是甚至以小時來講以小時來申請的話都沒有問題嗎 |
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跟委員說明我們這個有內部有討論過就如果要改成日來申請的話那麼需要修改那個資訊系統那還有他必須要增加審查人力沒錯那這兩個部分都是需要一些比如修改資訊系統或人力都需要時間跟金錢來挹注 |
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那大概規劃的時間呢就是修改資訊系統跟人力的部分我們有個預估的時程嗎對 這就跟委員說我們就是因為現在就業保險法要修法管理部長要通盤檢討要增加預留領結一個月那這個部分如果要進一步如果未來要進一步更彈性化的申請方式比如說以日假日那這個就是要跟整個修法作業一起來通盤的研議更快的方式好 這是法的部分那人力的部分呢 |
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人力的部分就是我們如果我們確定要這樣做的話我們就必須要經過這個要跟行政院來申請對好但是我們目前應該是會往這個方向來努力嗎對不對我們部長已經講我們就要延逸往更彈性的方式來處理好了解因為其實育嬰留情這件事情對於一些家長來說還是一個權益的損失因為他的年資是無法累積的是 |
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所以為什麼民間一直不停的在倡議育嬰假因為讓他的棉絲可以被累計那我在想因為現在看起來好像沒有目前來說好像不是往育嬰假的方式在前進那是不是可以先來處理家庭照顧假可以以時為單位來 |
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請呢因為現在一般很多的試駕公司行號也都是可以用小時來請嘛那是不是家庭照顧假就可以讓他變成小時來請因為其實有很多的家長好了像我這個年紀我有長輩嘛我可能要帶長輩去看醫生那不用請一天嘛我可能是幾個小時而已這部分是可行的嗎各位說我們確實在同盤截倒家庭照顧假往更彈性方向在規劃確實我們是積極內部在積極研議討論中我們希望到時候能夠整盤通完討論完來對外來宣布 |
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所以現在是有考有在有這個是你們其中討論的一個方案嗎是其中一部隊從小時來講是不是我們是會往更彈性方向來討論研議好喔那剛剛有提到說好像是你們的育嬰劉植亭心希望有30天的一個彈性可以一日來請是嗎 |
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往更彈性的方向來那我先給大家做給您做一個參考啦事實上作為一個家長你真實要育嬰的天數絕對是超過30天就算以家長都來分擔的話因為你可以算一下小孩子小學的時候幼兒園的時候腸病毒請假班上有人可能腸病毒學校就會要通令這是三四月腸病毒的旺季可是冬天還有流感 |
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所以等於一整年我們大概其實是有將近80天會因為育兒的一些狀況尤其是在幼兒園到小學這個階段都會因為長病毒或相關的一些生病而請假所以一個家庭大概就要花80天那兩個人去分攤的話一個人至少也要40天所以我會認為這30天是不太夠的是不是有可能朝更多的天數來研議這個我們都會納入那個評議考量中 |
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好 那也希望那個年紀的部分也可以放寬啦也可以往這個方向來討論好嗎是 這個部分我們現在只有到三歲嘛可是問題是小學一二年級還是腸病毒的高峰期嘛 好不好是 了解 我們也會全盤來考量謝謝委員好 謝謝好 謝謝張委員 謝謝張委員 |