| IVOD_ID |
159748 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159748 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T12:45:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T12:55:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9006179b26d5012be357648dfe0a0275fc59b62a44c83059aaf462de921938ebd285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:45:51 - 12:55:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們邀請衛福部因為我們今天談少子化的對策那待會包括這個教育部以及勞動部要有你們的就請主動上來好不好我們爭取時間謝謝來市長少子化的對策呢行政院規劃我國少子化對策的計劃在選舉前托兒這個幼兒托育的呢推出了增加平價的名額 |
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降低就學費用以及發放幼兒津貼納入0到6歲國家一起養的政策這個號稱是2.0的版本但是跟過去一樣就是只是繼續加碼我們看到從蔡政府到現在的賴政府成績是年年的負分因為我們看到數字會講話出現生育率與生育量都是連9年都在降 |
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所以在這樣的政策無效的原因到底是什麼我們少子化的政策失效的對策又是什麼請做說明 |
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感謝委員對於這個問題的關心我先跟你們報告就是說我剛剛有說就是說國際的一個同理其實基本上大概就是不拖就是那個人口研究2000年那篇最重要的一個研究就是說是要四個一個性別平等第二個工作家庭平衡第三個公托第四是這個津貼那這個是一個整個多元的一個策略那報告委員現在目前就是說這個部分我們現在目前也全力都在衝刺 |
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那當然就是說委員您剛剛也說了就是說我們現在目前是年九年的一個降低但是我們這邊我們會全力來進行推動總理你說會全力的來檢討跟推動因為我們看到也是我們推出的未滿兩歲的幼兒公共化及准公 |
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公共托育的補助呢那分別是加碼就七千到這個一萬三都很好但是本席要告訴你的就是說我們理性在討論事情您的政策方向結果論它是複分的沒有人願意看到這樣子的一個答案那換句話說必須積極去檢討 |
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不管在2000年的事項這個項目怎麼樣也就是在結果你是負分的那這怎麼辦因為這個會影響到待會我們還要繼續討論它會影響到很多的問題產生所以我希望你們針對於這個向下目前我們除了加碼之外 |
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我們還有什麼樣的方案我希望聽到的是這個真正的幫助我們的國家我們的社會跟家庭那你們是不是去研擬多久時間給本席你們的精進方案來 多久時間包委現在目前這樣請告訴我多久時間沒關係你告訴我多久時間因為這個是陳時中政委他在協調的沒關係你告訴我多久時間好嗎 |
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因為除了衛福部之外因為這個部分也有現在教育部還有勞動部所以市長你是個很有能力的人我願意這麼說你不敢這麼說你的原因就是什麼呢我們希望各政府部門目前答案是複分的 |
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那現在政府就是各行其事沒有做整合的工作我希望把這個聲音給不管你認為是誰的我們希望你們去精進去精進好不好你們自己本身也可以嚴明這個方案出來縱使還要再給其他單位但是人就必須要做你們多久就你自己本身你們多久可以有那個精進方案 |
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我們有一個方案出來 我們可以繼續討論啊要不然我們今天每一個人在這邊問都得不到答案啊我們不希望如此嘛我回去齁 我趕快 也非常感謝委員多久時間 你告訴我一個時間點 沒關係看你多久時間好嗎好 告訴我多久時間 |
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來 請告訴我多久時間嘛跟委員報告喔 那因為少子女少子女化對策方案這個部分在行政院這邊是做一個統計請告訴我多久時間好嗎 市長今年本來我們就會來做一個統計 做一個檢討本來就是要檢討啊那你們多久時間 你的草案方案可以出來 市長 |
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因為這個部分確實最後由行政院統籌來那你們自己各部會多久時間可以出來啊那所以這個部分的話確實我們比較我們真的比較不適合幫行政院來做一個不是幫行政院待會我們的教育部跟我們的衛福部 |
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跟我們的這個國發會勞動部這個都息息相關嘛對不對本來就是要有人來整合嘛但是你各部會在執行當中你有什麼困難你看的答案是不好的我們要怎麼樣提出方案嘛對不對不可能行政院會開會你們不提出方案嘛 |
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是嗎如果連這一點都沒有辦法來說明來應對多久時間那我們今天報告主席我們今天是要問什麼 |
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對不對不能各行其事不去做整合的工作嘛要整合之前還必須要各起其事的你們提出方案嘛因為這個也剛剛說就是行政院那邊我們能夠負責本部這邊我們就本部這邊我們是不是要三個月之內 |
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教育部在這裡因為會衍生什麼少子化大學震盪還有多少要退場啊 |
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對不對 這個非常嚴肅這環環相扣少此外 另外一個最重要的重大效應大學可能因此崩盤2014年到現在台灣已經有15所以上私立大學走向退場或者是核定停辦 |
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而在去年2024年有10所大專院校停辦或停照耶這麼嚴肅的議題有學者還預估2034年大學會受到最大的影響到時候可能會有10所的學校還要再退場耶我好緊張喔教育部評估的數字學者已經說明出來到底是真的假的我們如果這樣子要做什麼應對好 請做說明 |
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跟委員抱歉 因為我們今天出席的主要是聚焦在少子女 國家保護的領域少子女也會衍生啊 越來越少啊 國中也會影響 高中也會影響你看我們的主席這麼英明 把所有的向下權讓進來你把這個功課帶回去好不好 應對像這樣子的一個方案 好不好好 接下來最後一個勞動部勞動部 這個也非常的影響 |
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勞動部少整換你的完善托育系統在我們的好的托育系統是重點是增加生育的意願對不對這也非常重要但是托育的問題沉重的支柱也是造成國人不願意生的所以在這樣的情況之下我們觀光如果是營造友善的托育空間推動企業托育系統來說那政府的動能似乎是不夠的因為依照我們的 |
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這個性別平等法第23條的規定僱用受僱者100元以上的僱主他必須要提供第一個補乳室第二個補籍這個乳室第二個也就是托兒設施或者是適當的托兒這個設施那根據勞動部112年員工100名以上的單位有設立的會提供的僅有7成 |
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那相信這個數字實際上會更低所以在這樣的情況之下我們有成長的空間所以我們看到這個不只是解決少子女化的問題國家跟雇主勞工提供的嬰幼兒以及兒童子女的適當托育措施我們也更應該要怎麼樣去保障 |
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勞工工作權的一個適當措施對不對以韓國為例他除了提供貸款或者是租稅優惠的措施之外對於沒有執行的他們會強制的去輔導所以在這方面我也提出因為這個少子女化的面向 |
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是要整體性的一個去規劃所以勞動部我也希望針對你們既然有這個芯片平等法的第23條規範你們也去精進我們要怎麼樣能夠更好或者去參考其他世界國家他們怎麼做而不是一成不變導致我們的答案都是複分的我們也不希望如此好好的滾動式的去精進方案好不好有談到滾動式精進方案請 |
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把書面資料給本席 我們一起繼續討論好不好 謝謝好 謝謝楊委員 謝謝次長 |