| IVOD_ID |
159742 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159742 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T12:06:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T12:18:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9009005a381809dba482ba64e6561398ad09b62a44c83059aaf33cbce93769d80bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:06:37 - 12:18:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請陳主委陳主委 |
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委員好 是陳黛麗主委您好我想今天這個委員們都非常關心NCC新一波的NCC委員的人事案的進度那麼事實上就像剛剛魯明哲委員所說的其實NCC委員的人事案已經都進入到交通委員會來排審可是就遲遲沒有後續的動作那麼民進黨的這個召委其實也可以 |
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這階級的安排排審但是不知道為什麼都沒有安排排審那當然就不禁讓本席懷疑啦是不是行政院基本上有一個新的NCC委員名單現在行政院院長還會認同之前的那四位包含翁柏宗在內的NCC委員名單嗎各位報告這之前在行政院我沒辦法代替不是我之前範圍內的發言 |
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所以本席认为说极有可能是行政院或许有了新的NCC名单但是迟迟不肯送出否则的话对于之前的那一份救民单如果认为那些人员可以的话那为什么不积极排审所以简单来说本席跟其他的委员的意见一样NCC人事案不审不是立法院的责任 |
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而是行政院的責任可能甚至可以上達到是賴清德的責任如果說是立法院這個只要是賴清德點頭願意要審其實就可以直接指揮民進黨的黨團這個交通委員會的召委就可以立刻來排審了這不是問題好那接下來呢我想要再請教的就是說 |
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依照NCC的第113年度的第四季的傳播接力報告我們看到其實113年度的最後一季電視申訴案件數其實是高達555件其中針對政論談話性節目以及新聞報導違反事實查證的申訴案件分別是政論節目的申訴案件 |
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是346件那麼如果是新聞報導違反事實查核原則的事實查證原則申訴案件是76件其實坦白說這樣的申訴案件比例算高的吧這一季的累積起來這是違反事實查證的申訴案件我大概確認一下可能是全年累積的林處長回答一下 |
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這個還是要看就是雖然他寫事實查證可是可能是有就是民眾申訴的類型他自己去勾那個類型那我們還是要就他申訴的情況去實際的查個案每一個申訴案他是不是符合這個違反事實查證至寵害公共利益 |
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好那所以對於這500多件的案子你們現在400多件的案件實施你們現在已經有做處理了嗎我們都有陸續在處理我們只要說因為這個處理申訴委員很清楚我們有一定的時間限制對於人民的那個好那所以實際上進入到你們的節目廣告諮詢委員會議去待審查的案子有多少件 |
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您是說第四季嗎或者說累計到現在你們有多少的案子是在停留在節目廣告諮詢會議裡面待審查的 |
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目前我們4月10號我印象應該是事件但是我們陸續之前已經在去年或是今年初都有處理進諮詢會議但是因為我們就是委員會議還沒有辦法那個組成所以那個案子雖然經過諮詢會議討論過了但是都要等待那個委員會來做最後的決定所以簡單來說就是可能有些案子該罰的還沒有罰是嗎我們現在看到很多的這個數據其實 |
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你們在這幾年 對不起從去年10月以後10月大概是最後一批有兩件裁罰案件那麼從去年11月12月到現在其實都沒有任何的裁罰案件是那所以代表是每個裁罰案件的這個他的裁罰金額都高達50萬以上嗎 |
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沒有如果就是對我真的很清楚我們如果是涉及多元的也是就是進入諮詢會議的這個案件的話我們基本上以前從以前的原則都是進委員會來決議所以沒有一個採訪案件是低於20萬以下另外就是說我們陸續已經在採除了我們目前也有統計過大概有還蠻多件要處理當中的案子已經陸續在發意見陳述還有採訪書都陸續要出去了 |
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因為本席發現你們的採訪的速度進度其實蠻慢的我們看一下就是在先前有兩個案子這都是按照你們NCC所提出來的報告書第四季有兩個電視節目它的申訴是在十件以上的節目一個是雅琴看世界另外一個則是基隆市長的罷免案開票特別報導 |
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這個申訴大概有300多件都在申訴雅琴看世界這個節目還有基隆市長的罷免案的開票特別報導這是32件這兩個案子你們現在已經有進入到所以節目廣告諮詢會已經討論了嗎討論過了然後就是等委員會來討論所以他們的開發的金額會高達50萬以上嗎 |
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就是剛剛有跟委員報告我們的諮詢會議因為是討論多元意見的那個案件所以我們以前都是從以前都是會進委員會來做決議不管他的採取金額是了解對那因為這個案子看起來這就是在去年第四季的案子所以應該是近期會處罰嗎我們近期就是我們會提那個就是我們的質疑會議但是因為以前的做法所以還是會等那委員會來做最後決定好 |
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針對一個節目它被申訴了三百多次你們有對這個節目來進行警告嗎或是有相關的除了裁罰罰還之外的其他措施聽說這個節目應該可以暫時停播警告也是一種裁罰停播是執照的上邊跟目前都是委員會保留事項沒辦法處理 |
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我不是講這個執照 而是說這個節目短時間的以這個308件這一件因為它其實申訴的是同一個案件同一個節目 同一個違法情節那所以因為是同樣的違反涉違反的那個案情所以我們是進到諮詢會去討論 |
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那當然就整個我們也發意見陳述另外因為他是新聞節目所以他也必須進入他們的所謂的倫理委員會來討論那整個這個不管是相關的事證我們都提到諮詢會已經討論過了已經討論過了本身要提醒的就是說其實像類似像這樣子的節目因為它被申訴的次數非常之多由此可見這個案情一定也很重大我基本上是不同意 |
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要去把新聞頻道的執照就把它廢照不予換照我基本上是反對的我尊重新聞頻道的新聞報導自由但是如果說有少數的這樣的節目它的違反社會秩序或是違反衛廣法的事實查證原則情節重大損害到公共利益的 |
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除了罰還之外本席認為其實該短暫的停播就短暫的停播否則這樣的節目他不會有所教訓罰錢對他們來講沒有太大的意義 |
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我們會依衛管法的規定來處理如果是代理主委我想您回去可以看一下這個有關於我們相關的這個法條的處罰不是只有罰環停播停播不僅是頻道其實個別節目也是可以停播的那本席還是希望在這個階段尤其是現在已經進入到大罷免的階段有非常多的節目政論節目 |
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他裡面的來賓會造謠會去傳播一些不實的訊息那麼即便是新聞裡面可能也會有些不實訊息的散布這部分希望NCC要依職權調查 |
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雖然說你們現在的委員人數不夠可能在50萬以上的裁罰的案件你們還必須經過分組會議再上到大委員會裡面去討論但是我們違反事實查證原則的處罰叫20萬 |
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跟我們包括剛剛處長補充說涉及到新聞媒體的因為是涉及到多元價值判斷過去慣例都需要上委員會來處理那這個因為我們行政我們行政機關的處分必須要前後一致特別是新聞媒體這一塊也會根據以前的做法來一貫下去所以都是留待委員會來處理那如果是按照你們這種說法的話那坦白說我現在終於知道為什麼行政院長不想提新的不想要趕快進速去審查NCC委員 |
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因為不審最好那就開不了罰單對像雅琴看世界這樣的節目就不用被處罰什麼山立民視其他的這些電視新聞頻道就不用被處罰因為就算是有爭議還要上到大委員會他廢罰20萬也要上到大委員會議像這樣的一個情形這個確實是非常有利於民進黨政府為什麼不想要這麼積極的去推動ACC委員的人事案的審查 |
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沒有 這個做法從一屆以來一直都是這樣子就比較前後一致現在是一個特殊狀況你們的做法也要符合情勢變更原則啊當整個台灣照搖滿天飛的時候你們還要按照過去的慣例過去的做法剛剛都可以講說什麼NCC委員現在是進入到一個什麼狀態這個黃祖密的那個是說什麼到了什麼 |
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業客模狀態我們現在台灣的這個造謠的問題已經也都避入高荒了不能這麼消極下去 |
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醫生你們的處分要點 處分作業要點50萬以下基本上你們是可以做的超過5分鐘了是 謝謝 謝謝主席給我今天比較多的時間但是我真的非常希望NCC在面對處罰不實謠言這件事情上面要多所作為 |
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不要說限於說現在不能夠送大委員會所以所有的該罰的案子都擱置在那裡都不敢動作這會讓大家更覺得說那沒有NCC有NCC基本上沒有差別好不好希望陳主委跟處長回去再研議一下謝謝 |