| IVOD_ID |
159741 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159741 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T11:56:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T12:06:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900956d2e70a297b15f2ba64e6561398ad09b62a44c83059aaf2100f0c7800c801b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:42 - 12:06:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請主委好 陳代主委來召委好 |
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主委我想剛我也聽了很多委員的問題就是委員會不足人數的問題那當然我們也希望說行政院跟立法院我們會盡快來希望真的是要盡快完成不然這事情都拖著了 換遭都沒辦法拖那當你們有內部的困難點也應該盡量向上面反映那這個我們再一起來努力 |
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那再來預算的問題 其實我聽了以後 我發現主委你剛剛回答的好像預算 你說包括打炸 包括其他所有的東西 也許它就某一個部分 這一個部分單獨來講它沒有去刪你 |
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那其實整個行政院所有的各個不同的預算有些刪有些不刪有些沒刪大家都要回來回去 回來回來坦白講人民也搞不清楚你是哪裡有刪 哪裡沒刪所以其實各位 我覺得都是口水啦但是呢其實有一個重要的就是業務費因為你們被刪了幾成將近五成五五成五那凍結幾成 |
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凍結人事費是清支4業務費是凍結10%對啊所以大概凍結的當然當我們您召委諮詢的時候也提出說你趕快提出來我們會盡快協助啦那這個是10%的部分嘛那就55%的部分事實上NCC跟全國各個中央部會的 |
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業務費被刪減的概念是差不多的是一樣的就是說我今天業務費包括水電費包括臨時人員的人事費包括電貨化費包括網路費等等的啦也就是說我今天業務費被刪了55%所以你說其他的預算沒有刪到但是我做事的能力我做事的這一些手跟腳就已經都被你綁住了 |
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所以其實有個很簡單的概念就是說,這些人說他們沒有算預算的部分,他們都說對自己沒算,你們事情沒辦法做啦。你們就是說,我的卡車,你都沒把我的卡打到,沒把我的手打到,用手機把它拔起來啦。我手機拔掉以後,我就沒辦法出卡車去做事情啦。所以為什麼全國各中央部會做事情現在這麼困難,就是這樣子啦。 |
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所以有時候就說實在的我也很變態的這樣說大家口水回來回憶說對錢有三對錢沒三但是從整體來講業務會全國都刪了三到七成這三到七成就是在綁你的手跟綁你的腳的所以我也希望說可以我也要呼籲就是在等我們業務會被刪的看動的趕快處理刪的 |
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其實如果要追加減 全部都一併處理各個單位各別處理 要不然都是就是永遠感覺這裡卡丘都拔掉了好 那我們有限電視現在住戶也逐漸越來越下降本來下降的速度都減幾萬幾萬現在下降速度是減十幾萬所以你可以發現整個有限電視這一個在衰退當中 |
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那你認為有沒有什麼機會去補救 |
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我們大概是從商用方面來處理第一個從有限基金的補助來要求業者來持續的加強他的營業那第二個我們也鼓勵他因為他的用戶數的衰減是大環境寬頻發達OTT崛起希望他這方面能夠與時俱進那也不少MSO SO大概都會都有已經有跟OTT TV來結盟那這邊是正面的 |
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那第三個我們也鼓勵他多做強化他的一些地方頻道一些內容的自製等等讓他的客戶的黏鎖度能夠提升那我們大家都了解他另外通常有些電視還做另外寬頻上網那他寬頻上網的比例大概就是持續在上升當中跟有線電視這邊其實是有在做環境交叉的趨勢 |
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那無論如何,我們希望它能夠持續來維持住一定的黏著度那這是大環境的情況,國外也是有減限潮沒關係,你說很多,大環境我們都知道OTT的興起,造成有限電視的衰退,那很正常但是就是說,我們總是還有一些收視權 |
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他其實就是要年輕人看手機的老人家看電視啊他也是要有一部分的看電視的收容嘛那不可能沒有嘛那你剛剛講了那麼多我沒有聽到你講到區塊化頻道區塊化的部分 |
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區外化之前NCE有在推當時業者認為說涉及到一些這個措施的改變會造成有些既有業者的利益重分配那他們在爭議很大那目前的話有些MSO大概有依照我們當年的規劃有部分採取他會在後面的評論上位數那邊有做一個區外化處理那這個是有種程度是在 |
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順著就是依我們當年規劃方向去處理所以你管的是利益分配的問題還是管的是收視群眾大眾的問題群眾大眾的問題那你剛回答的原因我覺得也很怪沒有是因為過程中他們利害關係人頻道業者跟SO之間他們會有這方面的一些議題 |
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以人民收視率 以人民收視權益這個是NCC最大的目的是所以你不管背後有多少的利益你應該要以人民的權益為最大的方向對 我們當年就是朝這方向來推所以區塊化對人民的收視權益有沒有幫助應該有有 那可不可以做 |
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做應該是可以做但是會相對的程序上或者程序周全上還有一些溝通協調上大概還需要有一些努力的一些投入已經溝通了這麼久我從2020年恐怕也更早更早的時候其實我就問過 |
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然後2020年我記得那時候質詢萬年頻道的時候我還記得每一個委員我一個一個問那每一個委員每一個都說應該要做然後從2020一直到現在這個我已經問了不下十次以上了比如說主委你現在認為應不應該要做站在人民的收視權益來講 |
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長遠來看是應該要是啊這麼多年了應該要做的事情一直都不做有在做啊就是到位的程度跟當初規劃預期的有一些落差但是現在跟委員報告過有一家MSO大概也已經推出三位數的後面因為我已經把答案寫在上面了那人家業者自己可以做我們NCC沒有辦法要求這麼做嗎 |
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他做的跟我們當年規劃是部分是一致的但是他並沒有雙載前面基本頻道的部分所以我其實語重心長啦是人民的權益人民收視的權益是最大的目的既然主委認為也應該要做我們有沒有機會看到你做成功我們朝著方向持續努力 |
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什麼時候可以成功?我們會努力,期程方面變數很多半年?半年大概,因為是重大政策,要有委員會處理有變數,這部分我現在真的是沒有辦法跟委員回報所以你看我問了四年,還是努力?現在再問,還是努力?但都有在推進當中,業者有在跟上腳步 |
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好啦 那個我就是拿這個人家已經自主做成的區塊化讓NCC做一個參考希望NCC可以為了人民收視權益可以盡快做到 好不好好好 謝謝好 謝謝許志遠 |