| IVOD_ID |
159739 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159739 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T11:29:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T11:44:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9000a87fe9c4aa9cd272ba64e6561398ad09b62a44c83059aafd25b08c110ea79ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:57 - 11:44:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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陳主委因為早上我有注意聽到你在整個巡大這個過程中感覺跟之前我們陳律師的風格有所不同我也了解畢竟你是從比較實務整個電信相關的專業出身的我們希望就事論事的態度不要來立法院吵架你覺得呢 |
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都是要依法行政都是發揮自己的所知的專業部分當然很多人也期待我們新的代理主委希望能夠有新的態度新的一個思維那我請教一下這是我們上一屆 |
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這兩位委員離開的時候因為這當時你們也是當時行政院長精挑細選的兩位蠻專業的他離開的時候這個卸任特別寫一個公開的一個建言不光是給我們看啦也給我們最主要NCC一個建言那其中主要的三點那我之前有問過這個陳前主委 |
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這樣就感覺吵架啦 不用吵架啦這是你們自己的委員啦第一 他覺得呢因為市場過於競爭 獲益分散所以現在的新聞台主要靠業配置入行銷跟政府標案其實我覺得有些適當的比例本來就這樣啦 OK啦可是當過度的時候它會逐步形成 |
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台灣的政媒共生集團你覺得是會逐步形成還是已經形成頗久了你自己的感受跟我們報告依現行的衛廣法規定新聞節目是不能被置入的所以這邊的第一點部分是應該會有法規範的 |
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那第二點部分它含色範圍其實涉及的部分有些是不在NCC的職權可以處理的範圍那第三點部分深色屏障換照要大翻新或怎麼樣我覺得這些都可以討論過檢討但是要廣泛聽取 |
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這個正媒共生集團我不知道因為我問你這個問題你也沒回答嘛那就含混過去了其實就是現在進行是而且已經嚴重的發生了嘛他認為說現在新聞報導不公啦過度政治立場坦白講如果就藍綠白可能都有 |
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都有只是誰多誰少大家也很清楚那最後一個是講今天要談的他也覺得現在的深色評鑑甚至換照制度的實質的效能他真的希望能夠更透明而且要建立公正的評鑑指標與評分這倒我有點擔心因為在這整個過程中他參與評鑑他最後的心得是這樣 |
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那我們會覺得 哇靠 那你們在整個評鑑的時候 你自己覺得有一些不夠透明 或者標準有問題那我們回來看一下 在我們中天新聞台 這個幻照博會的一個整個的過程其中一個三大理由 第二個理由就是內控與自律機制失靈 |
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我是覺得很好奇啦當然這個北高行他的這個就把你們的就行政這個行政處分啊把它打回來當然你說最高刑他有不同的一個見解這個我都知道可是問題我們要看內容發生了什麼事啊對不對也許法律的界線在那邊剛好沒有超過但是道德標準搞不好有超過嘛 |
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這蠻可怕的我們先看一下後面好不好發生了什麼事你們換照的標準中天新聞台申請換照109年的6月8號送件了按照你們之前公布的標準107年你們就有公布一個標準什麼配分多 什麼配分少然後就送進去了 |
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做好了然後咧你不到差不多三個月的時間五個月你們11月11號呢NCC突然要更改遊戲規則配分標準的比例不太一樣啊就簡單來講 欸不對啊你哪一個稍微舒適多一點我配分多一點的話你就死了啊我的感受是這樣嘛五天之後呢就運用新的換照這個分配表 生效 |
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然後再來再兩天 開委員會哇 天衣無縫啊 你知道嗎我覺得棒球比賽啊 最關鍵的要三振的時候啊中天換照被你們三振了但是有一個魔鬼 他投出一個180K的變化球啊你知道嗎 怎麼變的就投手在那邊沒有投 球從哪裡投過來不知道 |
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你是不是覺得莫名其妙嗎你知道嗎也許到那個法的邊界你們還要再去討論博威你們要怎麼樣去弄另外一回事可以這樣嗎一個電視台不要講中天現在準備6666一堆人來換照了一堆人來換照囉你們109年已經換了嘛更新這個標準了哇靠他們6月一送進來可不可以這樣搞法你7月8月 |
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對現在最高刑事法院講說你可以這樣搞啊因為你們你們這個很專業你們可以這樣搞那有沒有可能 |
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這個表格再來換了你說看幾點補充第一點呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃 |
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用新的換照部分的話即便用新的換照部分據當時現在的資料來看的話中天當時好像也是處於跟原來用的新換照的配分標準結果是沒有影響的現在主委你知道嗎有時候是一個時機因為你是一個獨立的機關要給人家一個平穩的一個感覺 |
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一個一次性的一個比較公信力尤其你遭到重大的一個變革的一個處分你順順的過得都沒人講啦然後你用這樣的一個標準坦白講北高興也看到了嘛雖然這不是最終結果啦但是看到這個問題我覺得你們要去思考 |
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一個制度的一個相對的穩定性啊你們想看喔以前早期啊我看以前考聯考啊你有考過聯考嗎大學是聯考嘛你知道嗎每一次我們評論表都出來準備我希望考哪個科系不同的 |
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大學科系他有特別數學加50%有一些英文可以加40%我按照我的目標按照我的一個標準我準備了三年要去考的時候結果都已經考完了分數表拿出來如果你改 |
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評分的話是真的我覺得很不OK啦那當然你改的這個的部分啦107年到109年我們就看右邊啦評分的標準就是中天最終內控7次跟自律從原本的8分增加了250%到20分 |
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那這個部分也不是我說的因為我們至少看到你們在整個這個北高型那也是很多專業的專業的領域的人他提出了這一點我真的是給你建議啊這不是要在翻案什麼東西啊你們以後在處理這樣一個制度的時候我覺得應該要更穩健更慎重你覺得這建議可以接受嗎 |
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文的建議是沒問題但是我剛剛跟你講說即便用107年舊的套回去換算的話其實他的分數大概也是很危險的 |
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好啦 不要六月一堆電台 一堆人家來弄的時候 你們又弄一些很怪的規矩那最後我想跟你討論一下 這個主秘人黃主秘我看這邊你講了好多次啦 當然可能是跟立法院喊話啦這邊講說 知道啊 只是三位委員啊 沒辦法運作 都講了這麼多嘛然後到了11月20號 你可能周刊完 訪問你報導嘛 說你們 |
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將啟動葉克摩條款所以現在NCC委員還是葉克摩躺在那裡嘛對不對所以你覺得這是一個非常嚴重的事情我感覺是這樣你講好多次影響非常大影響名聲非常大所以你做了什麼事情呢你做了就是影響這麼大這麼積極除了跟媒體放話之外你到底具體做了些什麼事情 |
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我就請教一下 這個主秘先回答啦代理主委已經才剛上任不過代理主委之前也是NCG佔領都要職很久了你們NCG人事同意案剛剛有委員說對啊 去年4、5月就送進來了然後呢前一段第一學期沒有進度嘛但是連那個行政院長到11月執行的時候11月他還在程序委員會我的天啊 |
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院長沒有掌握 你們沒有掌握嗎7月12號7月12號當然因為馬上休會不可能馬上處理7月12號已經過了程序委員會程序委員會還要送到院會第二關 覆委了那你知不知道 你當時清不清楚 |
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你清不清楚這個流程已經復違了我們剛才主委已經報告這個其實是在行政院那邊的執掌我們不太可能去掌握這個所以我很緊張葉克摩了要死了到底立法院審議如何我不知道 |
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我跟你講你不知道不要亂出去傳謠言那我就跟你講7月12號之後我們交通委員會跟教育委員會聯席就可以審查了那我就請教所以你不知道那個陳主委你在之前你是擔任什麼職務就一直是委員嗎委員之前擔任主秘主秘那你知不知道 |
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這些訊息如果是在報章媒體公開的話我們大概都掌握情況不是啦 立法院的系統進去哇 我是趙偉好可怕 你NCC你這樣都叫尊重立法院啊你這案子到什麼部分我告訴你不要再騙人了 |
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656.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
681.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為我做過幾屆的召委你們連一個凍結案需要的法案三不五時來拜託召委拜託這個先排那個先排你們完全掌握到你們現在還有一堆的案子現在已經在交委會在帶牌你明明就很清楚嘛我想這個組密我們交委會的組密組密我請教一下現在 |
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682.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
708.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
7月12號已經排入委員會了嘛排入交付審查那副委那召委可不可以排來進行審查按照現在的法律可以還是不可以原則上是可以好就簡單來講那所以不管是陳主委黃祖密你們從去年的7月10號就副委不管你真不知道假不知道都是失職 |
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710.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
727.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
七月休會九月下旬開會了開會了你有沒有拜託來兩位你有沒有拜託我是上會局的召委你有沒有拜託陳書業召委你有沒有拜託教文委會哪位召委拜託哪位召委幫你排案有還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
729.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
751.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我想應該是有溝通有反應啦跟誰反應啦來黃主席你最後一講過來講一下你拜託了哪一位哪一位召委四位召委嘛藍綠各一位啊我沒有被拜託剩三位你拜託了誰幫你排NCC委員審查因為進入夜客模了我很緊張你拜託了誰老實說啦 |
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753.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
761.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
陳倫我們剛剛主委報告的我們真的有去了解但是你說拜託這件事情那個執掌頭真的是不在我們我們不知道怎麼去拜託 |
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762.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
785.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
拜託排案 你們每次凍結案 這麼拜託召委的不要這樣騙啦 都許志定委員 這個都聽不下去啦不是啦 這個案子 你要拜託很急 大家來排案嘛反正公聽會嘛 大家來講啊 對不對那我是覺得 你們現在這樣的事 你們自己去施執包括現在 現在喔 6月3日要審查 根本來得及啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
786.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
來得及啊現在案子行政院院長自己不重視自己不重視他說的一快不一慢我認為這個事情一快不一慢因為從今年第一次立法院開議到現在9日開議到現在11月份你知道NCC的人士是哪個委員會來審查嗎那在審查過程中你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
816.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
821.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
卡在程序委員會復委了兩個月 行政院長還說卡在 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
835.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
863.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好 希望再快一點 那12月也沒提12月也沒有提 1月也沒提 2月也沒提 現在3月了我就說不知道你們有什麼陽謀陰謀啊但是我今天直接講清楚你們要擺亂你們要擺亂你們不審就算了那我們是建議啦如果民進黨黨團有什麼樣的建議叫你們不要審那沒關係我們拜託林國成委員來吧 你可以 我今天跟你講囉你急你就拜託因為沒有新案所以過去這四個名單 |
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864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
881.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
有一個不合法規還有三個可以繼續來審如果你們急你們就這樣做如果你們沒有動作就表示你們不急未來換照產生任何東西來講行政院院長跟通常會你們要負全責現在牌都來得及喔好謝謝 走謝謝委員 |