| IVOD_ID |
159731 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159731 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T12:21:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T12:31:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db90073bc928f3360e91e47542dab5946a2249b62a44c83059aafb92ba5236964c1d45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:21:56 - 12:31:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請李遠部長 |
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好有請李部長部長 黃委員你好我想延續因為今天一早上大家都很關心央廣這件事件您剛剛也再一次重申身為文化人不能接受有這樣子被詐領的一個案件嘛 是不是好 但是我覺得不要高高舉起輕輕放下這件事情為什麼感覺到那麼的嚴重我覺得還是幾個部分我們看一下現在新聞已經揭露出來的狀況 |
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檢報 有嗎來 下一張 下一張好 2000多筆異常這是現在廉政署暴露出來的嘛那當時是有委由來 我們上一張當時是文化部有要求央廣要委外調查但調查報告沒有公開那我想請教當時的委外調查報告結案了沒有結案嘛 有沒有送到文化部 |
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文化部有任何一個長官有看到嗎這個要問一下他的報告送過來之後當時的都有足跡成河什麼事 |
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當時都有逐級成合都有成合 有成合到部長嗎是的 那成合之後也因為我們會針對中間其實有些比較缺失的太陽我們也在111年的時候就進行了移送檢調的動作那目前就是在偵查當中所以過去三年多已從111年的時候送檢調到現在才再次來做處理 是不是這樣當時這個報告列為不公開是誰的決定是文化部還是央廣 |
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因為這一份查核報告是央廣進行委外的部分是文化部要求央廣委外調查那但是到最後調查報告不公開這是誰的決定 |
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跟委員報告因為這個案子他這個會計師裡頭的資料有非常多的個資而且有些人並不見得違法所以當時董事會是有除了向文化部向商城還有董事會報告之外並沒有對外公開好來部長來我們再看下一張 |
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當時的行政報告其實行政調查其實就是高高舉起輕輕放下錢沒有落入到任何一個口袋但是認定沒有弊端這是現在這邊秀出來的那結果時任的職員還都有留在原職有人退休還有人高升我想請教部長 |
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經過上禮拜到這禮拜這樣紛紛擾擾已經你今天早上我想你今天來備詢一定是有備而來嘛有沒有了解到底有多少涉案的人如今還高升有沒有了解並沒有人高升啦並沒有人高升所以說這個新聞寫錯我不知道他寫一人升任組密一人退休 |
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這個是我要請教單事人他有沒有生竹蜜有沒有退休我真的不知道 |
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你真的不知道還是你不了解還是從頭到尾沒有想要去關心這件事情部長這是你的態度問題欸本席剛剛很認同或說很尊重你的態度也認為是說有弊案那個時候你不是當部長所以你不了解不怪你但是從上禮拜五出來這件事件央廣昨天發了新聞稿央廣新聞稿當然寫得很漂亮冠冕堂皇改了多少改了多少但重點在於是2015年到2021年七年多 |
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的時間裡面高達兩三千筆的錯誤單據那還有這些錯誤單據不是只是央廣的部分喔它裡面甚至有提到是說也有跟其他的公家機關互相的賬物的往來不清也因此才會有廉政署出手嘛廉政 為什麼是有廉政署出手就是因為是公務體系內部的不管是支出 不管是收入廉政署來處理啊部長 |
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您覺得這都沒您的事還是好官我自為之反正有啊那時候有行政調查報告啊有簽到文化部啊沒錯啊央廣的董事長剛剛有講了但那個時候的部長不是我啊 |
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不是這樣子好官我自為之也不是這樣子其實我剛才一直跟你們講我幹了五十年幹過多少機構這種事情當然是有我完全不能忍受當然不能忍受我也不能忍受但是我不能夠忘下我更沒有辦法接受事實上發生事情之後還沒有辦法公開透明為什麼不能忘下結論因為這裡面一定很複雜嘛人為的 結構的 |
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財務的 會計的 法律的我看起來喔非常複雜複雜是人搞出來的因為當時文化部已經要求委外調查為什麼要委外為什麼不是我們部內調查就是怕部內調查可能官官相護嘛那我既然已經委外調查了結果調查出來的結果之後以一個錢沒有進任何人口袋然後就結案了事 |
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那部長我還是尊重喔我尊重你要看不慣路見不平拔刀相助要來調查要來要求用你的態度讓所有文化部下面的單位或者是至少我們讓我們的公務體系知道未來不會有這樣的狀況您要怎麼做 |
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再找另外一個委外單位來調查不會不會 我們目前剛剛已經講過公管集團的董事會已經要求成立一個專案小組那這個部分我會責成專案小組的負責人會是誰我不曉得 誰 |
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這個就是央廣的事情我們現在釐清到現在了就是央廣內部的問題四年前為什麼文化部要求委外調查就是認為說不要公關相護那結果做出來的調查報告是這個樣子你現在再過來四年後 |
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廉政署在處理廉政署的工作但你自己有內部調查的作業那我現在請教內部調查的作業到底是部長宣誓來說我來帶領這個專案小組來查弊案來檢視到底有沒有不合理還是你責成哪一個市長 |
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這跟處理霸凌案的事件我覺得類似啊霸凌案的事件絕對不能讓那個單位自己主管自己調查如果說那個單位主管自己調查的話那抱歉一定是大事化小 小事化無嘛那我現在已經有出來這樣的狀況而且 |
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上禮拜新聞你也有表示檢調調查中文化部的態度是完全透明好嘛 那檢調調查 廉政署調查的歸廉政署調查但你文化部到目前為止你之前 今天早上我有聽到喔你說一個月裡面也要給我們相關資料 |
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那我們可以期待什麼一個月如果你到現在都不知道說誰來負責做這件事情我怎麼期待我一個月之後收到什麼樣的資料會不會又是兩頁三頁部長 |
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我想我在這邊跟你保證我請次長我們一個次長層級的次長來盯整件事因為他比較負責全部的因為本身我想請王次他本身也是在我們部裡面負責這種霸凌性平的他剛好也是負責這個單位可以嗎我在這裡跟你保證因為我也不希望這種事情一直拖下去王實施次長 |
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負責整個專案報告來把這件事情從過去四年的機密文件機密報告沒有公開的也做一個釐清以及現在的狀況一個月後可以給我們立法院可以讓國人知道到底這個事情的經過是怎麼樣去標籤化沒有要個資但去標籤化釐清事實真相是嗎 |
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我跟委員報告我們自己在我們文化部部內律己慎言對那個姓平英隆人我相信百分之九十九點九會說有靈丸當然真的很有信任也都絕對不會通常枉法但是既然已經出現了我們就把它給釐清 好嗎是不是部長是會後再跟紅委員報告好不好不好意思 |
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好 部長辛苦請回好 我們接下來請伍麗華委員 |