| IVOD_ID |
159721 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159721 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T11:54:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T12:03:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9000dcd8b53b8c85f8e7648dfe0a0275fc59b62a44c83059aaf34c2034a5d6bfafb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:20 - 12:03:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 那我請兩位次長好 請兩位次長 |
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我先問這個勞動部啊現在你說育嬰是在家裡六個月嘛他剛才說六個月嘛六個月是多少薪水?是投保薪資?平均投保薪資六成然後我們勞動部還要補助公務預算補助兩成總共八成所以等於是投保薪資的八成領六個月六個月 |
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先生領完 太太領 兩個輪流可以嗎也可以 也可以同時工保的也是這樣嗎 公務人員也是這樣嗎公務人員這個可能要 這不是我們勞動部管的但是公務人員的福利向來是比勞工要好一點這可能要問主管機關 |
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那現在你說又加一個月是什麼東西也是六個月 歐元也是六個月也是六個月 也是投保薪資的八成 也是這樣嗎還是全新 |
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公保是用他們的本縫本縫不是頭髮型是本縫本縫加專業加幾這本縫啦對那你剛剛說又加一個月是什麼意思就我們現在準備要就業保險法要修法因為我們現在就業保險法是法定是六個月法律規定六個月那我們勞動部在110年7月修定了一個我們的補助要點用公務預算補兩個月所以6加2加起來現在是那個 |
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八成你後來說六個月之後又給他一個月是第七個月是不是我們準備要修法就是再包一個月那廖偉強委員說希望提高到八個月是嗎廖委員是有這樣提那就來修法吧弄成一年不是更好嗎 |
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跟蘇委員說明我們剛剛有講我們就業保險法因為劉庭今天的本意主要的政策目標是希望幫助這些新手幫他不要因為照顧嬰兒而離開職場我們的本意還是希望他回到職場但是根據我們過去這連續7年的追蹤調查大數據 我們是大數據分析發現其實 |
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有大概回歸職場大概平均只有82%啦有18%是沒有回歸職場啦那這當然有很多原因所以我們現在老實說內部在討論就是說如果你一下子延長太多太時間太一下延長太久會不會讓這一個回歸職場的那個機率再下降一點我們要求一個平衡啦水收就不敢回來啦是啦是啦好 |
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那再來我請我們衛務部 律師長我給你一個問比較大的啦 為什麼現在年輕人不可以帶貨 不可以生孩子啊大家都在市高啊 市高啊 有人在市中心啊 還是在三藝署啊市高啊 市中心啊 市廠房的開銷如果這麼大呢 千萬不可以收 |
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那到底是怎樣報告委員這個我以前在中中大學我開過這樣的課那委員報告2000年人口學者有一個最重要的研究是population studies2000年他是用OECD24國去做相關研究我說結論就好結論就是說 |
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這個你要解決少子化原因是這樣因為就是說工業社會女性女性她受教育程度提高提高之後她一定要進入職場進入職場之後就會發生蠟燭兩頭燒的那個現象所以這是全世界的問題我如果有人報告瑞典跟歐洲事實上在1970的時候曾經他的TFR就是所謂的總生育率也曾經降到大概1.4左右1.4 |
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後來經過一個整個瑞典他們那邊整個總體的一個研究的一個努力之後1970到1995年左右又回到1.8本來是1.4增加0.4很不容易因為OECD那個研究最重要就是我剛才有回覆說四個重點第一個男女性別必須平等 |
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這是最重要的啦 第二 最好的是工作家庭平衡就是你有辦法比較輕鬆去做家事 做家事等等這些台灣男女的地位是女性比我們高 我們在我們家女性很高我們在醫院裡面也是女性很高 我們都叫美生的 |
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沒有啦 因為我想說 其實如果說第三有效的就是那些child care 兒童照顧 最後其實才是津貼他有研究的說 這要採取多元的策略 多元措施所以這是OECD國家 他們現在普遍研究出來大概就這四個重點 但是要多元但是如果每一位都像委員這麼優秀 我想就掩蓋沒問題啦 |
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我們第八屆立委的時候要涉及長照服務法那我帶了一大票的人包括場官學然後到日本去那個時候林叔沒有去那一孫在北海那一孫 |
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我去日本的時候 日本的後生省 什麼省都出來說還有我們的駐日大使 沈思純 都安排得很好那個時候日本就講說 他們預計到2050年他們的人口會從一億兩千六百萬 會降到七千萬那七千萬的話 他們就變成二流的國家 |
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所以那個時候他們整個卯足全力整個首相辦公室都成立委員會啊危機小組啊然後開始砸錢好像有一點點起色我不曉得日本現在的生意力差不多多少那位記者說大概1.2 1.3左右吧 |
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台灣是大概0.89所以日本這個是有效的啊他們是卯足全力喔所以他們的人口我看到現在還是一億兩千多萬如果能升到1.24的話當然是還是會少啦那個時候我去的時候剛好他日本一年 |
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死掉的人死了一百零幾萬然後出生九十幾萬那現在 |
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台灣去年死了將近二十萬生了十三萬所以會出事了所以這個很嚴重啊那現在我們的外籍的配偶外籍的新住民還有外籍勞工都變成我們的補充人力這個是很危險的事情所以我們現在台灣這裡也沒有主責單位也沒有在搶救 |
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我是覺得很糟糕餵物部你自己要扛起來還有勞動部好像今天講一講我今天從早上聽到現在好像本來還有一個行政院的辦公室現在連辦公室都沒了剩下一個陳時中政委在負責這樣是很危險是不是該要振作起來不然的話現在0.8 0.9 |
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很嚴重耶我是以生四個 我太太生四個小孩 我不會生啦我生四個 我覺得對國家很有交代了兒子生了兩個 我叫他再生啦 不生啦他說去不去啦所以這是很嚴肅的問題所以這個要搶救 當然砸錢啦 那個就是很重要啦 |
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那像這種 我剛剛提這個提案這個像公托 准公托 這個都很重要 這是配套嘛讓年輕人敢承擔啦所以這個我是覺得 部長 次長 你都要看不懂要怎麼 要怎麼看部長要怎麼處理一下 好不好好 感謝委員 謝謝 |