| IVOD_ID |
159709 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159709 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T11:13:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T11:24:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db90005d17bdb4e79e7d51a80f058510e45acb9e3eaef4bc79033420fad759d9e24575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:11 - 11:24:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒十五國名單，我國政府財經相關單位因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席那我們請這個財政部的莊部長中央銀行的副總裁委員好 |
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今天財政委員會要報告的題目叫做因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒15國名單我國政府財經相關單位的因應策略專題報告請問一下部長跟副總裁台灣有被列入骯髒15國的名單了嗎 |
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謝謝委員我想我們在報告裡面說很清楚也就是說是美國的財政部長日前接受媒體專訪的時候他所提到對美課徵高關稅以及貿易量大的前15%的貿易夥伴稱為骯髒事務國但他並沒有說哪些國家是列入這 |
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沒有嘛 只是因為說我們是美國第七大的貿易夥伴所以有媒體就按照這個把台灣列進去了但是川普還沒有宣布嘛 對不對那副總裁 這個川普有宣布了嗎沒有宣布嘛所以我就覺得很奇怪啊這川普都還沒有宣布說台灣是已經被列入骯髒15國的名單了結果今天我們這一個 |
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在財委會要報告的這一個專題報告就說好像台灣已經被列入骯髒15國的名單了這個如果川普看到就說我都還沒有宣布啊那怎麼這個台灣立法院的財委會已經幫我宣布了台灣已經被列入了骯髒15國名單了我們可以因應我們想說如果有可能被列入的話那台灣該怎麼做這我是可以接受的但是台灣還沒有被列入嘛 |
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那請問一下這個因為川普政策的不確定性也蠻高的那之前這個央行的總裁有來這個裁委會還有提到他說啊 |
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這個台灣被列入這個骯髒十五國的機率並不高因為他的看法是說美國的平均稅率是3.3%那台灣是6.5%但是用加權平均稅率來看美國是2.2%台灣是1.7%所以他認為說台美是互補的不是說是不公平的貿易 |
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那所以呢他認為啊我們央行總裁認為說這個台灣呢被列入這個骯髒15國的這個機會呢是不大 |
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那這個我問部長好了,因為問副總裁不好回應,因為總裁講的話來,我問一下部長,那你是否認同這個總裁他所說的話我想總裁說的一定都有所依據而且我們如果用單純的平均名目關稅稅率當然會比美國高,可是你必須要考量 |
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各項貨品的進口值所以我們用貿易加權平均關稅稅率那事實上如果用貿易平均加權關稅稅率我們是比美國低的那當然另外在農產品的部分雖然我們會比它高但是在工業產品的部分其實我們只有1.4%而且從美國進口的加權平均關稅稅率我們是2%然後另外我們主要進口的還是工業產品 |
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而供應產品裡面有大部分我們是雙方都是零稅率的好那所以部長所以你也贊同這個認同總裁所說的這句話機率不高就對了機率不高但還是有啦不是說完全沒有嘛但是是否認同總裁所說的 |
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我們希望是這樣子 當然到時候美國怎麼出手我們還是要密切的觀察 密切的關注是啊 因為媒體是說4月2號才公布啦所以我們也不用搶先在川普還沒公布之前就說他台灣已經列入了這個骯髒十五國這個名單裡面但是因為我提到就是說這個川普他的這個政策有很多的不確定性他也說有可能會有一些豁免或是例外但是萬一啦 |
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結果不幸台灣被列入骯髒這15國部長認為有哪一些產業會受到影響第一個他要對哪一些產品要加徵關稅 |
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第一個就是說會加關稅嘛對 加徵關稅是對哪些產品那第二個就是說它是不是對所有的國家都一樣的去加徵不一樣的就台灣好了就台灣如果認為說如果要各點關稅的話你認為有哪些產業可能會受到影響 |
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這個部分我們其實密切關注我們對於所有的他所目前所釋放出來的相關的訊息我們都一直在關注而且會去掌握然後也會去分析對國內的相關產業會有什麼樣的影響那在行政院的經貿台美經貿工作小組會都密切都一直非常密集的在開會那相關的對策也都有主席不好意思時間暫停我可不可以請經濟部的次長經濟部的次長 |
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好 謝謝主席那次長 相同問題我再問你那如果萬一被列入安裝十五國的時候台灣有哪些產業會受到影響在行政院的台美經貿小組都有討論到所以我們也有擬定各種的方案如果真的有被列入的話那您認為有哪一些那我具體問好了啦這個有這個台積運的院長他有講說如果被列入的話汽車跟農產品的影響會很大那請問一下這個部長 次長的意見 |
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最主要是因為台美的汽車的關稅是有差距的所以呢但是呢我們並沒有出口整車到美國我們都是零組件嘛我們出口美國的是沙灘車並沒有在這一次昨天川普政府公布的這個汽車的這個名單好那我再請教一下莊部長現在這個車子從美國進來 |
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包含關稅跟貨物稅大概要接近40%左右吧沒有錯我們的關稅是17.5%加上貨物稅但是還是要跟委員報告從美國進口的車子大概有一半我們大概是新台幣是302億但裡面有一半是屬於電動車所以電動車其實貨物稅目前是零的 |
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那關稅呢?關稅有17.5%嗎?關稅是17.5%一樣的如果就關稅來講的確啦這個汽車或是說這個農產品農產品應該是我們主要進口美國的比較多啦這個出口到美國比較少但是呢就是對等關稅可能有兩種措施嘛第一個我們相對應的關稅也跟著做調整調降另外一個呢你可能要多買一些美國的東西嘛對不對 |
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那目前來說我想平衡貿易值這個是各國都也是美國希望的那加強對擴大對美國的採購或者是投資都是一個方向對啊那我們有沒有因為其實下禮拜就知道了啦那有沒有先因應說有可能有哪一些關稅這個產品貨品的關稅有可能會調降那有哪一些可能要去多買一點你們有沒有這個清單呢 |
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這個部分有關採購的部分行政院在我們的工作小組裡面都有討論 |
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我覺得這個是有方向的然後對於關稅的稅率怎麼調整我們要看他所提出來的相關對等關稅的貨品以及對其他國家是不是都是平等對待都要看所以我們有聽部長這樣講就是說應該是有萬一被列進去的話有這個清單準備有哪些要做調降有哪一些東西可能要多買就是了 |
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我們的方案都有今天有這個行政院的經貿談判辦公室的副總代表因為剛剛有提到這個台美的這一個21世紀的貿易倡議這個去年12月已經正式生效了那因為這個還沒有涉及到關稅關稅應該是比較後面的大概有沒有一個什麼期程 |
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因為我們這一個談判是在拜登政府所啟動的那拜登任內實際上沒有談任何有涉及到關稅的這個雙邊協定所以我們的台美21世紀是沒有設定要談到降關稅的議題那未來會談到嗎那我先問一下好了因為現在變成川普總統了嘛那對於我們這一個台美21世紀的貿易協議在川普總統上任之後還有在繼續在進行嗎 |
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因為川普政府實際上也有要求美國USTR要在4月1號公布他現在針對美國現在現有所有FTA的檢討所以我們的預期是我們的台美21世紀倡議也可能會在4月1號了解到說我們的接下來的談判的可能的方向以及川普總統對於我們現在台美協定的這個期待 |
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所以還是在持續當中沒有說因為川普他上台的一些經貿政策的一些調整有做改變就對了因為這次美國國會也核准生效的確實我們在第一階段協議是美國跨黨派支持的一個有美國國內法基礎的一個協議所以我們看起來美國確實是支持台美繼續做這樣子的協議但是就是說要看川普總統他現在對我們這個協議的期待 |
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那未來有機會會就關稅的部分去談嗎因為其實關稅才是最重要的那當然前面的協議也很重要啦那關稅的部分有機會會談到這部分嗎 |
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現在就是關稅的談判要等4月2號他所公布的結果那關稅的談判是要納入21世紀的談判的範圍還是說另外再另起一個談判這個完全就是看我們要看後續的發展好OK好謝謝主席好謝謝啊這個我一般都很少對委員的發言插話啦你每次都針對我啊上次你也是這樣講結果也是針對我對不對 |