| IVOD_ID |
159694 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159694 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:28:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:39:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900366387216513ab761a80f058510e45acb9e3eaef4bc790334a16c5dc7554018e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:21 - 10:39:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒十五國名單，我國政府財經相關單位因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我是不是可以邀請部長 莊部長來 莊部長請朱副總裁國發會的高副主委副總裁經濟部正式請假經濟部的江次長江次長農業部的杜長次農業部長次來 |
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好 今天這個議題從川普當選之後我覺得我們跨部會在高層的會議照理說應該有很多的討論 |
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部長你可不可以先回應我你們有沒有跨部會的會議討論過這些議題跟委員報告確實有因為行政院有一個台美經貿工作小組的會議因為這個幕僚作業是由經貿辦公室在這邊在做幕僚作業討論過幾次次數可能經貿辦會比較清楚好部長我再問一個問題 |
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有可能我們會被列入1315有可能還不曉得如果我們被列入的話你覺得公不公平 |
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我想這個部分當然我們從美國追求貿易你覺得公不公平這個國際間怎麼講公平或不公平因為美國有美國的立場我想這個部分我們會就你不知道公不公平你心裡有沒有想法好那我問央行的副總裁你覺得公平嗎 |
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我覺得貿易是要講究對等的那公平這個意義其實基本上是比較那我再請問我們經濟部公不公平 |
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報告委員美國之所以要採取這個對等的關稅它是利用關稅做一個手段最主要的目的呢它還是希望能夠減少貿易逆差以及讓更多的國外企業到美國投資我知道但是我們真的很骯髒嗎把我們列入骯髒15國我們真的很骯髒嗎你覺得委不委屈站在你的位置立場委不委屈 |
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我想第一個,這15國包括哪些,目前並不知道好,不知道,我們覺得,我個人覺得很委屈因為這是我們共同創造拼產業、拼經濟、拼努力民間跟政府一起努力的結果我個人會覺得很委屈但是我很遺憾你們說不出委屈兩個字喔那好,假設最壞的狀況,我要請問部長如果我們真的被列為骯髒15國的話 |
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我們會不會跟其他14國聯合起來跟WTO申訴部長還是經濟辦事處你回答我我們有沒有這樣的劇本就是說我覺得接下來各式各樣的狀況可能發生加拿大跟墨西哥他們事前也跟川普做了談判後來他們還是被突襲了 |
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我們也沒有各式各樣版本的準備甚至是假使我們真的被列為骯髒15國我們會不會跟其他14個國家跟WTO申訴有沒有這樣的準備誰可以回答我 |
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謝謝委員我是行政院經貿辦我想針對這個議題我們現在不排除就是我們需要去評估4月2號我們所看到的這個關稅的結果然後我們才會通盤的去思考才要通盤的檢討你們有版本嗎 |
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我們做一件事情最好最壞有可能發生狀況你沒有版本你到時候才要知道嗎剛才你回答那個中加兵委員說最大宗的我們出口的美國可以進口你們現在才要盤點 |
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我都覺得很訝異這哪些東西我們可以進口去平衡貿易的順差的跟美國貿易順差的部分早就應該知道我們怎麼去做處理如果還要四個月才可以盤點那我覺得你們前面開的會對不起我叫做白開因為顯然你跟美國沒有辦法談判談判就是有東西拿來換拿來去做籌吧我有什麼他有什麼我們可能談的結果有可能聚焦大家可以接受 |
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如果回答前一位委員質詢的說還要四個月才知道怎麼樣平衡貿易順暢有哪些項目的話我跟你講你一定被納入15國之一我這樣講不過分合理因為這是我在看談判過程這是標準ABC |
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跟委員報告,其實行政院的台美經貿工作小組的開會其實是非常的密集那對於各種方案都有研擬不會等到4月2號宣布的時候我們才去討論後面的東西 |
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那所以幹嘛回答人家說要四個月照理說你現在都已經知道說有哪些項目我們可以平衡貿易的順差其實不用四個月你照理說你應該非常的清楚才對好 不講我要問另外一個問題我非常遺憾的是你們在呼嚨立法院我們今年對美的貿易順差你預估大概會多少 |
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去年美國是739億美元嘛那今年會有多少 |
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進出口值有預估吧如果接下來每一年都還是750、800、900、1000億我們當然很高興站在產業的立場稅收的立場我們很高興但是在跟美國談判在川普接下來三年半之內你根本不可能你根本要各式各樣手法的準備嘛所以今年你沒有預估貿易順差是多少還是誰可以回應我經貿辦還是誰應該回應我 |
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那我們今年到底應該是多少 有沒有預估過沒有 不知道 |
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跟委員報告我們還是跟委員報告在我們的行政院的財美經貿工作小都有各種方案也提到貿易平衡貿易平衡是互相追求的一個目標我們也會擴大對美國的進口那這個數值就會變嘛好我知道部長你還是沒有回應到我我支持採購軍購我支持買黃小玉我支持採購能源 |
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那你今年不管買什麼東西你到底可以平衡多少的貿易順差你們有沒有一個預估的數字你要買這些我都不反對買能源買軍購買黃小玉農產品央行這樣我都支持那你目標是多少數字是多少有沒有數字出來 |
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我們的方向很確定但是很多事情是要在談判的時候大家再來談的是吧好不能講那我接下來再問兩個問題經貿辦應該也很清楚經濟部也應該回應我我們接下來台積電接下來三四年雖然台積電到美國去設廠也不是這兩年馬上就可以出口生產 |
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接下來這兩年台積電的複合成長率兩三年還是高達44到46%也是台積電還是持續的賺錢所以也代表著我們跟美國的貿易順差會持續的加大那要買什麼接下來這幾年怎麼去控制我們貿易順差有誰可以回應我 |
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二位委員所以台積電它現在已經開始全球佈局我知道但是它全球佈局但是我從台積電我從媒體新聞報表它接下來這幾年它還是44到46%數字擺在眼前川普還有三年所以你們貿易順差的手段平衡貿易順差的手段是什麼 |
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所以我們必須要加大對美的採購採購什麼農產品黃小玉台灣就兩千三百多萬人吃也吃不了這麼多軍備我也沒有反對三趴我也支持我個人可以支持黨團當然各政黨還要再討論但是我們的貿易順差是三趴是一千多億但是距離平衡也還有一段數字 |
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包括達到川普的目標他均夠達10%739億相當是兩兆多嘛 |
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584.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那我們即便買三趴的軍購也才一千多億那個數字差距還很大所以我們今天辦這個專案報告我聽不到對不起我聽不到什麼具體的內容我們可以平衡你有什麼手段包括如果剛回答前議員的我們怎麼大中的經濟的產業要買哪些東西平衡順差你還要四個月評估那我都很懷疑我們怎麼去跟人家做談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
586.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
615.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我這個質詢白白坐在這邊質詢但是我聽不到任何的答案如果我們有具體的手段包括最壞的打算要跟WTO如果假設最壞的狀況我們跟也被列為骯髒15國之一我們有沒有跟其他國家有做好準備有沒有在溝通如果這也是劇本之一這有沒有這是不是劇本之一這是不是劇本之一跟其他14國跟WTO申訴有沒有這樣的劇本存在誰可以回應我 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
619.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
631.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
有沒有討論過我想我們針對每一個國家現在在因應美國的這些政策上面我們都有在掌握因為畢竟大家跟美國那有沒有跟他們聯繫過他們會怎麼做你們清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
632.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
657.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我們有看到有一些有展開制裁有一些在評估做自主的調整那我們都持續在掌握這些國家的因應那其他14國的聯合申訴有沒有做這樣的思考有沒有可能做這樣的思考因為我們實際上不知道實際上這55國是哪些國家所以我們現在不知道但可以猜得出來嘛看數字就可以猜得出來嘛我也不知道坐在這個位置不知道那也很奇怪啊對不對好 謝謝謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
663.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
666.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
謝謝議員的質詢 下面請林思明委員質詢好 謝謝主席我們首先 |