| IVOD_ID |
159691 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159691 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:36:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:48:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9008dc3e917f23ab18d7648dfe0a0275fc51f25d2de176b75bc1a088aa3d2b9e73c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃秀芳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:48 - 10:48:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們請呂次長委員早安次長好次長今天所有委員都非常關心少子女化這個議題那當然就是說大家會覺得說這真的是一個國安議題因為我們也看到原本認為說去年農年 |
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這個新生兒應該會比以前可能會再多一些可是看到是完全沒有沒有比這個雖然是農年可是也沒有新生兒也沒有比較多所以我覺得說未來這個新生兒的 |
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這個出生率應該是會越來越少所以我非常認同剛剛那個王委員他一直在希望就是說這個應該要有更高的層級來處理這個少子女化這個議題那我記得在2017年那時候有成立一個少子女的辦公室這個少子化的辦公室那後來好像就沒有再繼續運作就是說回到行政院這一邊 |
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那當然就是說如果回到行政院這一邊應該也要有一個主責單位啦就是剛剛次長有特別提到就是說是由這個陳時中政委來主持嘛那應該其他部會雖然是一個跨部會的那應該也要有一個主責單位要不然就像剛剛在問你們的時候可能也會有一些 |
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這個達不出來的一個狀況那次長我想請教就是說我現在在地方碰到很多新手的爸爸媽媽他們在這個懷孕的時候就開始預約托嬰中心 |
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那他開始預約這個托嬰中心可是托嬰中心跟他講他可能還要再等就是前面排隊的人很多可能要再等可能前面有四五十個人排隊那所以他就覺得說 |
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就是說他太太生產完之後他就只能可能太太就沒辦法工作就直接留在家裡面照顧小孩沒錯所以我認為就是說如果你要解決這樣的一個問題其實面向很多就像我們之前一直在講就是說可能0到6歲國家一起養從幼兒園我們現在有準公共化或者是非營利幼兒園公托 |
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我覺得托嬰這部分應該也是現在年輕人你願意讓他有更好的公共設施他願意生那現在托嬰中心其實我認為是不足的那我不知道說未來我們衛福部這邊怎麼去強化這樣子的一個公共設施 |
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是 非常感謝委員成為委員剛剛所說的其實事實上目前那個整個少子女化的問題我想是一個多面向我跟委員報告有一篇2000年那個population study最重要就是說是要多元最有效的其實是性別平等第二個是家庭工作平等第三個就是委員您所說公托最後才是津貼那這是要多元 |
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那現在委員剛剛所說的事實上是有關於公托的部分那這個其實從過去蔡英文總統到現在賴清德總統也都持續在推動這一個我們的國家希望工程那這個部分有關於公托公托的那個政策我現在是希望就是說公托的部分就托嬰中心的部分我覺得應該是還要還要再加強量能的部分還必須要強化目前覺得是不足的所以你看如果說今天年輕人他結婚他 |
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你不能犧牲其中一方留在家裡面照顧孩子他也願意回到職場去工作可是因為孩子沒人照顧所以我覺得這個托嬰中心的部分我覺得應該還要再加強那個我們其實之前在前瞻我們現在目前公共托嬰的話到114年2月的時候我們全國已經設置是498 |
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那現在目前收多是1.6那現在目前我跟委員報告另外有那個另外94家我們現在目前在籌設當中希望這94家能夠提供3000個名額那這個部分當然我們現在目前這個部分剛剛我想王玉民委員還有陳金輝委員他也非常關心這裡面但是這裡面有介紹一個問題就是說我們補貼了地方像那個之前也跟委員去 |
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這個部分也地方政府那邊我們會希望他們能夠趕快加速這邊的推動時程這個具體的部分是不是請副署長代理署長跟委員報告一下跟委員報告總體全國的數量如同剛才所說目前國內一共有498處的公托預計還有94家在投射當中後續的話以剛才委員所提到像彰化的情形的話 |
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彰化目前的公托加數確實是相對比較少但是我們所掌握的是彰化陸續已經有在申請中那我們有在補助的大概還有十多間那這個後續的話我們都會在資源上面我們會來協助彰化這邊有部件的需要我們都會盡量來支持 |
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我希望就是說我們應該是要建制公共化的設施其實你給他很多的津貼那他現在找不到人照顧這個孩子出生之後找不到人照顧就我覺得 |
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應該是要建置很好的一些完善的設施沒錯讓年輕人敢結婚敢生小孩要不然結婚之後他結婚了那我生孩子生下來之後沒人照顧這個也是一個問題那我想請教就是說我們每一年的這個建置總公共機制其實我們也看到這個從衛福部教育部其實每一年也都補助很多 |
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從2019年51.5億到2024年到155億其實這六年當中成長將近三倍之多我覺得好像也沒有對於少子女化好像有一些緩解的作用 |
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另外就是說我們也看到這個政策你一直在推動可是這個生育率好像也沒有提升好像也感覺好像是越來越低生育率越來越低所以我覺得說這個議題應該是要通盤去檢討 |
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也許我需要有一個這個好好的完善的這個托嬰中心公托或者是這個托育中心那另外我也需要住的地方嘛 |
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就剛剛講的其他國家也許你生一胎我可能給你這個社會住宅他的那個資格就比較容易能夠住進這個社會住宅那個費用可能負擔的費用可能更低那如果生到第三胎那我是不是完全我就不需要有這個租金呢 |
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我覺得應該也可以朝著這個方向去努力甚至你生越多那未來幾年後我是不是可以這個社會住宅我可以便宜賣給你我覺得這個也是可以朝這個方向去努力而不是我覺得我們政策推動的很多補助的我相信不論是地方政府或中央政府都一直在有一些津貼補貼生一胎補助多少其實我覺得這個也無感 |
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你要讓年輕人我生一胎補助一萬生一胎補助三萬其實對他來講無感啊我一個孩子出來我花費的更多啊所以乾脆我不結婚不生或者是在一起我也不生所以我覺得應該是要去通盤去做一個檢討那當然就是說由行政院這邊來主責我也覺得很好可是應該也要有一個 |
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就是一個相關的一個主責單位不論是衛福部也好 國發會也好或其他單位我覺得這應該都是跨部會的不是單一的一個問題而且是一個跨部會的問題而且你知道現在年輕人我剛剛講的 不論是這個孩子生出來可能要花費很多另外就是說住的問題現在年輕人要買房子也是非常的困難你看房價在這幾年 飆漲跟前幾年這個比例 |
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這個漲的幅度都四五十百分之四五十一個年輕人的這個薪水怎麼可能買得起房子所以你又要讓他結婚又要讓他生小孩我覺得應該也要從這各個面向去做一個討論沒錯 |
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委員所說的確實是完全符合這個原則那我跟委員報告委員剛剛所關心的住宅那個部分雖然不是我的主責但是我下午董建宏次長他就會來拜訪我我們談一些我們住宅的部分那委員的意見我覺得非常好就您剛剛說三胎以上是不是有特別的一些優惠等等這些這個我會帶給他也請內政部趕快來研議謝謝 |
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好那市長我再一個問題再請教就是說我們現在的這個幼兒園老師其實有的幼兒園老師一個可能要照顧這個一二十個小朋友其實變成說他是高工時然後高危險 |
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那我认为就是说整个这个环境整个幼儿的这个教育的环境应该也要让老师能够愿意投入这样的一个教育的环境那让老师不会觉得说被剥削或者是高工时高危险的这个职场 |
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我覺得說這個應該衛福部這邊應該也要去正視這些幼兒園老師的一些職場職場的工作的狀況包委員那個指教非常正確可是這個因為幼兒園是屬於教育部的權責這可能要請教育部來嚴寧好 |
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好那再來就是說我想請教就是前幾天就有關那個凱凱凱凱案沒錯那目前也有很多人就是說針對這個虐兒虐童這個行者應該是要加重那目前也有6萬多人就是有這個婦役有連署那我想請教就是說衛福部針對這一部分你們未來你們的回應是怎樣那你們未來會怎樣朝什麼樣的方向去做 |
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包委那個我想這對於虐童就像我們剛剛說的在一個少子女化的一個時代其實不光少子女化每一個小朋友都是我們的心肝寶貝我們一定生下來我們就是要好好來聽要顧是任何的虐童這個基本上都是零容忍而且是絕對不應該那我也知道現在目前社會有一個有一個期待就是要加重刑責那關於這個部分我們也跟法務部來做相關研擬這邊我是不是請秀園司長來跟 |
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現行法律規定有兩個地方一個是兒權法一二條他已經有針對對兒少不當對待駕駐騎行二分之一是有這個規定另外在刑法的286條法務部也提出了一個修正版本那個地方也有那至於說後續是不是還要再做討論那我想我們這個部分會緊密的跟法務部做一些討論 |
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好那因為時間的關係我就先到這邊那真的少子女化這真的是國安議題真的要非常非常的重視喔要不然真的逐年那個生育率真的是逐年一直在下降好的好感謝委員謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝次長謝謝 |