| IVOD_ID |
159687 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159687 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:10:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:22:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9004713f90e4ffee0e72ba64e6561398ad01f25d2de176b75bcf16bdf45e156e8645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:57 - 10:22:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主委在這次的預算審查NCC算是重災戶大概我看一下就速發部在我們交通委員會就速發部跟NCC算是最慘的 |
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NCC公務預算 業務會被刪除50%了 刪50% 凍結10%所以你大概有60%的錢不能用了我常講 任何一個個人 或者家庭你的收入給你減少50% 60% 你的生活絕對會受到影響 |
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那 業務費啊 7千多萬被刪了 被刪凍啊大概剩下多少剩下 從7千多萬你現在可以用的錢大概有3354萬我幫你算出來啦 齁NCC現在可以用的錢啊剩3354萬 |
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但你這個業務費啊 是不是要拿來付房租 要不要要 土地租借2500多萬來 NCC的房子啊 是跟人家租的啊那個 NCC租房子要不要付錢要 要啦 當然要付租金嘛NCC的房租一年多少錢2562萬 我都幫你查出來了所以你目前可以用的錢有3354 |
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光付掉房租就付掉百分之七十六就是兩千五百六十二萬要付房租大概剩下不到八百萬啊純模備八萬啊NCC的業務費 公務預算啊一個月大概要花多少錢我去調你已經花掉的啊一個月可不可以開四百萬啊所以你這七百 將近八百萬你目前可用的公務預算 |
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扣掉房租剩八百萬這個月已經用掉四百萬剩下四月我看你存了錢四月營料就不錢了對 沒錯所以我們就是比較傷腦筋就是我們想辦法讓房租的租賃兩千五百多萬想要跟地主來協商看看能不能延後支付要出租本價給你收出出來 |
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人家出租我們賣那為什麼我們的政治我們的政治衝突生害到人民的人民的權益就要處理的 那就要跟他講了 那不可以阻礙你如果老出水是違約的好 就算給你10%來解凍多了700多萬 給750幾萬而已大概也撐不到兩個月 |
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三掉50% 凍結10%就算給你解凍 如果沒有解凍 你4月用完就沒錢了如果就算有解凍 也撐不到六月 差不多六月那NCC我看一下你去年 即使你 |
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比較多跟民眾有關係的像我們北區處 尤其是在北區有一個民眾可以臨櫃到櫃台去服務的案件一年有7687件我們2024年新的認證就是民眾送來認證的有7747件 |
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從國外進口到海關海關進口要NCC蓋章 大家知道NCC不去檢查海關是不放行的因為那個射頻必須要NCC認證檢驗的海關有25600件其中還有一個跟民眾權益有關係的就是你建築物的電信設備審查和審驗有將近3萬件 |
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比如說我們一般 我們蓋房子啦 你的住家啦 你的大樓啦你那邊的電信設備喔 那些都要NCC來審查和審驗嘛 是不是這樣是 運作那你現在如果4月以後沒有辦法運作 那這些就會影響到人民的權利啦 |
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沒錯 也跟委員報告還報告我們所謂的通信監理系統是一個電腦系統電腦系統所使用的水電費如果水電費支付出去電腦系統掛掉大概整個運作都會停擺沒關係啦反正黃國昌委員說要三道讓民眾有感這個NCC這個民眾絕對有感啦對不對好再來 |
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現在NCC還有一個問題 你的委員沒有人 不能開會這個絕對是法定總額 還不用說法定總額你現在不能開會 我幫你調查一下到今年6月2025年剩兩個月 執照到期要換新照 廣播業者 |
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有25張無線電視有4張4家衛星廣播業者有9家那你現在這些都不能換照到今年6月就齊滿了我有沒有算錯沒有錯37家4月38張照沒錯這些都不能換照那不能換照就處於一種違法的狀態下營業是不是這樣 |
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對 從某個角度來看是這樣對嘛對 法律條文你要換照那你沒有換照你就違法營業那業者說又不是我不換照是你NCC不能審查所以啊有去法院提告提定暫時狀態處分有 那我們有業者已經跑去提告說不是我不換照是你們NCC不能審因為你們沒有委員結果去提告結果業者敗訴 |
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業者說NCC不能審是政治問題所以他司法權他不能介入所以現在問題要回歸到原點不能換照違法狀態下繼續營業光6月就要有30幾家25家廣播業者4家無線電視還有9家的衛星廣播電視那能不能給他罰款 |
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因為他違法狀態營業嘛好那我不能給你撤照那我給你罰錢我們規定是這樣喔你換照沒有通過原來的規定啦原條文規定如果你沒有換照你繼續營業我就給你罰錢對不對履法不定我就給你撤照好那要不要罰錢 |
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我聽說NCC去辦了一個專家會議是不是這樣2月20幾號請了四個專家來解釋那這種狀態下能不能罰款四個專家很不幸的有四個意見四個看完都不敢 |
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因為你要請專家 你不想輸掉的先問一下你就叫四個 表示你這個會議是開真的沒有事先串通所以四位專家會議做出四項結論第一個 第一個說委員不足因為是你們的委員人數不足嘛 所以不能罰第二個說 |
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我寫在這邊 第二個就是說你業者沒有經許可營業行為進行裁罰 但是他在合法期間有提出信賴保護原則你不能罰再來也有主張 合法期間提出環境申請不等於一定要取得新執照所以不能主張信賴保護原則 這個意思是可以罰的 也覺得可以罰的 |
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那還有一個主張更明確沒有自行決定是否裁法的這個裁量空間你就是要法那現在怎麼辦因為是處於這種灰色地帶我們內部還在討論專家會議的四種意見你們內部怎麼討論等下是找專家先問一下他意見找四個意見一樣的來開 |
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這樣你比較有根據啦不然你怎麼開人家這四個專家真的就做出事項決議好那能不能廢止執照因為我沒有辦法審嘛現在業者也會擔心啦那會不會被你撤照 |
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沒有辦法沒有辦法 業者不用擔心啦 也不能湊照啦因為管頻道頻率的是樹花部啦不是NCC啦那樹花部除非NCC廢照 |
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數化部才會去把無線電頻率收回去啦 是不是這樣是 成績上是這樣嘛那你NCC你現在不會廢照 你廢照委員嗎 報告你要廢照也不行啊對 組織法9條2項5款是沒有辦法廢所以NCC現在就處於一個最標準的完全癱瘓的狀態啦這個實在是很可悲啦 |
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那你現在我剛剛講的每年有幾萬件喔去年海關通行案件有兩萬五千多件喔現在卡在海關你那個射頻沒有認證的 |
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你這個是沒有錢處理啦這也沒錢處理啦然後新的產品認證的一年去年有7700件民眾到櫃台直接請申請服務的有7600多件各大樓住家房屋電信設備的審驗審查一年有大概3萬件你的業務費再撐一兩個月就沒錢了我看接下來 |
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這個人民就會真的感受到了你這樣預算這樣刪真的是會影響到民眾的權利有沒有來 主委你有什麼看法 |
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確實跟委員報告的因為我們這些通傳系統、監理系統、海關認證系統都是用電腦化作業那電腦化會使用到水電費、通訊費跟海關之間的網路連線那些預算都沒有的情況之下如果這個通傳的電腦系統都停止運作的話就會這個這方面也有全部都會停止拜託出頭家不要這麼害羞出水出頭家給我答應 |
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我們也來跟他進行協商主委你也沒辦法 你也無可奈何啦感謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝委員好 謝謝我們林俊憲 |