| IVOD_ID |
159681 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159681 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:29:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:42:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9008003eeaca27f006f47542dab5946a2241f25d2de176b75bc73901da7dcf6c21b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林宜瑾 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:24 - 10:42:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請李部長請部長 |
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林委員您好好 部長好剛剛國務軍召委在指責您拿那個挖工啦齁其實我是還蠻替您抱屈的喔因為您是在替藝文工作者所有的影視工作者抱不平是因為當初陳玉珍委員說請他們丟掉那支要飯的碗 |
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那國民黨的這些同委員們如果認為陳玉珍這句話是失言那他們那時候為什麼沒有出來譴責所以我覺得這個另外我覺得剛剛也一直在提說為什麼你們這個解凍的這個溯源報告還不趕快送進來 |
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殊不知他們國民黨他們立法院韓國瑜主政的立法院2月19號才送出國家總預算那被他們亂山亂動的這個國家總預算2月19號才送出來那難道我們 |
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現在要叫我們就要馬上寫出完整的報告難道我們要像國民黨一樣這種提案預算提案都這樣亂寫一通嗎所以我想這個我想我要藉這個機會要做一些說明我想今天我們來提到所謂的文化建設 |
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其實文化建設大不易 必路難旅那從1920年代台灣第一批接受現代化教育的知識分子就開始活躍起來所以台灣人的意識也在那個時候開始萌芽那當時的行動者就發現其實文化實際上是一個抵抗殖民政策的戰場所以才必須要建設台灣的文化而不是純粹的模仿中國 |
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也唯有這樣子我們才能所謂的真正獨當一面來促進社會的進步那這種在文化工作上的努力其實我們至今也沒有停止過那台灣人的努力也常常成為政治打壓的目標就如同日本殖民者透過黃民化的運動那試圖改造台灣人這個文化的認同那持續 |
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殖民地體制的中國國民黨他就長期利用黨國的教育來貶低台灣的文化到了2025的今天同樣又是中國國民黨又利用思想的審查政治懲戒的方式來大煽大動我們台灣珍貴的文化資產那這一次文化部預算總共被刪除11億凍結了34億那其中媒體宣傳費 |
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更是全部被刪除所以不只導致說今年的大阪世界博覽會的相關宣傳活動必須全面停止文化幣跟黃牛房市的費用也要停擺就連推廣閱讀搶救舒適的這種相關宣傳活動同樣也要止步甚至說連民間團體藝文工作者的思想 |
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和我們的政治參與自由國民黨都可以透過這樣的砍山預算來威脅所以我實在是不理解國民黨到底跟我們台灣文化有多大的深仇大恨好 那今天的業務報告當中文化部也有提到說今年的預算被煽動的幅度相當的大對文化部的工作業務推動造成相當大的衝擊所以我想藉這個機會請部長說明一下 |
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說我們今年的預算動砍您最痛心之處在哪裡那未來你要怎麼樣因應部長 |
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我最痛心之處非常多剛剛您講到那個媒體宣傳費刪掉5943萬其實刪到最後還付100萬要我們從別的地方再拿100萬來就是說我難過的不是說我錢變少因為錢變少我只要少做一點就可以我難過的是他們在刪的時候 |
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他完全沒有道理的刪一些我完全不懂為什麼要刪這些刪這些只有針對我們公務機關的公務員的工作造成困擾比如國內外旅費水電委辦特別費造成我們很大的困擾 |
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譬如說我舉個例子我們去年跟人家簽約的一些我們團體要出國了那個旅費不夠你知道我們怎麼辦嗎我們找企業家贊助我們最近要跟京都辦一個漫畫館只有五萬塊錢的預算只剩下五萬塊錢的交通費他們來找我說部長怎麼辦我說我也沒辦法難道最後是要自己掏腰包嗎最後找企業一個國家一個文化部要做到這個程度 |
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要去跟企業贊助所以我有時候實在講不清楚我那個難過就是你一直說我有三百億我沒有啊我們的文化預算一直是很少的占全部的總預算不到一長年以來台灣的文化從以前到現在它就是一個蠻弱勢的那在這個情況下你不但不能傷我的你還得給我多一點你要知道預算的編列不是你想像中要編多少就編多少 |
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當初我們在編預算的時候就算是跟行政院主計數跟行政院長都是一點一點要來的多要一點多要一點他絕對不是一個說看你高興編一點一點要來然後在文化委員會我想主席你也在現場文化委員會本來要砍多少錢我們站起來一直辯論一直理性的辯論爭取到每一毛錢都不要刪掉最後我們算多少呢算兩千萬 |
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兩千萬是經過多長時間討論的結果這兩千萬不抵他們的一算一算就要八十億八十億後來我們去求他要求他說我們一定要這個錢你不能不給我們最後變成最後答案是三十一億動三十四億三十一億跟動三十四億跟前面的兩千萬差多少 |
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這就是我難過的地方因為他最後傷到的是還是文化人的錢你少給我兩千萬我就少一團的錢你少給我兩千萬我就少四十團出國去就這麼簡單 |
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你替納稅人看緊荷包你沒有看到任何荷包你只有讓大家更慘我們整個文化界充滿了焦慮本來有一些補助該過年前就拿到第一筆了過年前拿到第一筆發薪水要過一個新年的結果不但拿不到 |
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過完年還拿不到我當然是非常焦慮囉我非常焦慮因為最後大家就會怪到我們說你為什麼不爭取預算呢就是說我蠻無奈的我在這邊藉這個機會要講就是說今天不是講我還有26億我多26億都不是要講這個其實我終究有很長一段時間不想講預算要講的實在是 |
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我不是來辯論預算的我是來工作的我希望趕快給我錢我們可以把這個錢用在福祉產業我們每個地方都缺錢嘛每一個行業都缺錢嘛那這個錢又不是要到我們每一個公務員的口袋都不是啊所以你刪的錢是刪到全人民的錢你並沒有幫人民看管這個荷包你是把大家該得的 |
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很那個一點點卑微的那個文化的補助刪掉文化人90%都靠自己來生活啊我在文化界工作了50年欸我沒拿過政府補助我靠自己活下來同樣的許多年輕人活在這個時代他比我們過去更慘 |
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因為文化的狀況比過去更差他們必須靠自己去打工賺錢當家教 當無本我講過了他們很少能拿到公共電視的錢他們很少能拿到文化部的錢文化部是一種獎勵它不是補助來四十團只能給三團 五團剩下都拿不到這是我很感謝你給我機會講這個大家有時候講來講去會把事情模糊掉這麼簡單的道理 |
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這就是我心頭的地方啊好 部長辛苦我想剛剛葛昭偉他也搞不好清楚一直說緊門解凍案要趕快送進來其實送進來還要從院會去院會還要交付程序委員會程序委員會 |
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在透過這個報告事項在交付教育委員會那個還要走那個程序喔不是好像說直接送到所謂的教育委員會我們就可以馬上來排審所以我想這個也要藉著機會跟大家報告好 那我想再來借一點後面的時間來跟部長討論熱身的問題喔你也知道說我長期關心熱身那我很感謝就是說 |
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我們部長有拿出願意面對熱身的誠意明天下午一點就要由陳紀民局長來主持熱身療養院文化資產協商會議要討論一些包括登陸世界遺產恢復熱身人口的景觀一些等等相關的計畫 |
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明天會議要開始之前我想我在這裡還是要做一些要求就是說期待說我們在明天的開會中我們應該要做的啦我想部長對這樣的誠意我是非常清楚可是我們應該要做的比過往部長至少像榮應台當初還有親自到過熱身過就是說我們對這個世界遺產潛力點要更有正面價值的處置而不是說讓熱身療養院這個問題 |
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這件事情我想委員一直很關心我想請局長報告一下因為我們馬上就要開會好 局長 |
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那我想大家比較關切的就是世界遺產這個議題世界遺產現在目前是我們18處世界遺產潛力點之一那我們現在部裡面也成立了第6屆的世界遺產推動會也都持續在開會那在相關的議題當中未來我們會跟我們的這有關的衛福部啦還有新北市政府因為我們這次的主管計劃是他相關的議題裡面都會適時的邀請他們來共同參與 |
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好 OK那我想最後再花一點點時間就是我要跟部長討論那個華氏民股買回的相關問題我想部長你有表示就是說華氏定位的問題那解決民股買回你覺得說如果所謂的他們願意賣那當然你也就法規容許那我們也願意買所以目前到底民股買回有什麼樣的進度嗎 |
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如果說公管集團沒有辦法百分之百持股的話那我們怎麼談華氏的活化的問題我想這個是不是再簡單回答一下好 目前華氏的民股占百分之十六點七六可是裡面有四家是比較大的台塑 中興 森保跟富地他們占百分之十他們曾經來公文他們願意賣而且賣的價錢就可以在我們十九年前我們開那個價格 |
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但是剩下的那個零零星星個人股大概還有百分之六點七大概有九十九位股東那最近我跟胡董也坐下來聊了他認為說大概還剩兩三個就可以找到全部了 |
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如果是這樣的話我想他是一個要很慎重考慮的我們政府決定要撥多少錢可以接受把民股買回來那這個民股買回來的目的是成為一個資產這個資產就歸公管集團然後我們要怎麼運用它值不值得買回來買回來之後它會不會更好這個我想不是一個好像我隨口講說買回來之後我們就把它怎麼樣怎麼樣因為買回來之後我們要繼續怎麼做 |
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然後他會繼續虧因為他現在已經跟銀行借了43億了嘛43億是一個不能再借錢的那個意思喔那剛剛不是講到說怎麼空間不夠他就是沒有錢賺所以他會把空間盡量租出去嘛那我也很同情他因為他一直虧嘛所以這個問題謝謝委員會問這個問題我很希望在有可能的至少在我任內喔往前踏一步好期待 OK 謝謝部長 |
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林怡君召委咨询 部长请回座 |