IVOD_ID |
159679 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159679 |
日期 |
2025-03-27 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-5 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
5 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:15:23+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:28:17+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:12:54 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9003d910eea1f37b4471a80f058510e45ac1f25d2de176b75bc7e402dd021e2a3415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
委員發言時間 |
10:15:23 - 10:28:17 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議(事由:邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒十五國名單,我國政府財經相關單位因應策略」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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主席 在場的委員先進 列席的政府監事長 官員 會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長 央行的朱副總裁然後經濟部的姜次長 以及經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總代表另外後面有一題可能會要請金管會陳副主委陳副主委一起上來好了好 也可以兼職兼 |
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好部長好這個副主委次長副總裁還有副代表副總代表今天呢其實啊這個問題看起來很專業其實邏輯很簡單有常識的概念就可以來找出解決的方向但是解決的方法需要各位的專業來處理我早上呢在辦公室聽了幾位委員的質詢大概呢就是這樣子來請看什麼是公平貿易貿易公平原則第一 |
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避免不公平的關稅造成障礙對不對川普要的嘛第二避免貿易往來過度單向傾斜所以如果關稅可能是不公平的原因但是呢往來的傾斜不公平會造成別人的結果那關稅是不是公平看兩個面向第一個是平等特定國家我們對特定國家和對其他國家他們的待遇是不是一樣 |
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第二個是對等我看這個國家之間關稅的總體待遇是不是相當那最後貿易的結果是不是公平還是要看你的往來的總量是否相等所以不管是貿易順差或逆差都不能單方面差距過大幾位是不是同意這個簡單的ABC都點頭同意嘛 對不對從早上到現在我們談的就是這個來我們看一下那川普也不困難啊川普政府的骯髒訴國他有沒有說明確定義沒有啊 大家自己猜的啊 |
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徵收最高的關稅 點到關稅第二 貿易量很大的前15%美國政府有講15國嗎 部長有沒有講15國從早上到現在你都沒有講台灣嘛但是台灣是不是該在裡面呢 我們看一下 |
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美國的貿易印差 央行的統計 我們的739億排第六名 這很多人都講過了那麼請問一下部長 你管稅的台灣有對美國相較其他國家徵收更多的關稅嗎 有沒有 |
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我們因為是WTO的國家所以我們的關稅其實都是在不是我是你聽清楚我們對美國跟對其他國家有沒有對其他國家比較好對美國特別不好沒有啊這就是平等嘛對我們沒有我們對其他國家跟對美國是平等的好接下來我要請教一下那對等的部分我們往下看下一頁不往上 |
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好 台灣對美國的關稅相較其他國家而言除了個別已經簽了FTA的國家之外美國進口到台灣的關稅跟其他WTO國家到我們台灣是相等 公平的嘛我看次長點頭啦 江次長點頭 是不是這樣公平 很好那麼 台美之間的關稅我們彼此之間差距有沒有特別大我現在講的是什麼 對等 |
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你美國在一些項目剛剛之前有幾位委員說同一個品項你課我多少我就課你多少這不全然是如此啊因為每個國家有每個國家內部的政策需要所以有些品項可能你對我課的少我會對你課的多有些品項你對我課的多我對你課的少但是總體來講彼此的待遇有沒有相等部長你認為有沒有 |
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基本上這關稅我們剛剛在報告裡面都有分析那直接講答案有沒有答案你認為相不相等跟其他國家美國跟其他國家我們對待是相等的我們其實對美國眼中不是很相等但是不是最嚴重的不相等是不是江次長是不是這樣子你認為美國會認為我們跟他的關稅是對等的嗎總體來講 |
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就工業產品來說其實差距不會很大不會很大但是還是我們有一點比較占一點便宜嘛大家點頭了嘛好所以呢整體來講關稅應該不會是這個核心如果相較於其他國家美國要兌付其他國家比我們更應該兌付但是結果是什麼往下看台灣就是整個貿易結果怎樣我們跟其他國家比對比平等我們彼此之間相對等但是我們的順差實在是太大了 |
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整個貿易量往台灣單方面傾斜 怎麼改善好 我講這個答案就有了 剛剛委員都問過了我就直接揭曉啦 往下看 |
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我們去看一看,我們台美貿易之間,今天你們的報告有個很大的一個問題是說,你們在細數台灣跟美國之間的貿易往來的品項,那個幫助有限啊。他能賣我們多少,我們能買多少,繼承的就在那裡了嘛。我們要問的是說,美國賣其他國家賣什麼?這十大類產品。我們跟其他國家進口什麼? |
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只要把這十項交叉比對你會發現第一優先的是什麼石油燃料嘛美國對其他國家出口的前十名的第一名是石化燃料台灣從其他國家進口的前十名的第三名是石化燃料答案就出來了啊美國賣那麼多石化燃料出去給每個國家台灣也從其他國家進了很多石化燃料我們跟美國多買嘛市長 江市長是不是這個意思 |
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是的 好 但是有人會懷疑 欸 不是一個核能設備嗎美國也出過很多核能設備 台灣也進口很多核能設備的維護啊但是後面看一看 如果這個項目我們已經Match了那可能成長空間就有限 所以我要提醒這一點還有人提到什麼 提到汽車 有沒有 汽車是不是也是機密儀器 |
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你把這個台美互相對其他國家的貿易往來比一比就可以看出什麼哪些地方有潛力的項目嘛好 往下看所以 能源美國出口最多天然氣的它賣天然氣給歐洲最多再來是亞洲 再來是拉美台灣進口天然氣的第一個是澳洲 再來是卡達 再來是美國油的話呢 我們跟沙烏地阿拉伯進口最多跟美國相稱 再來是科威特但是呢 原油的部分 |
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美國都沒有賣到台灣來啊所以嘛剛剛的委員就講下一頁很多人就講了嘛就是天然氣嘛我們本來跟誰買天然氣我們本來買天然氣最多的是澳洲卡達美國占10%而已現在呢我們盡量的跟阿拉斯加買天然氣剛剛郭委員也講了賴委員也講了問題的解方有很困難嗎 |
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但是問題的做法才是困難啊所以今天我們在討論這個問題我說基本的常識合理的邏輯推出來的解方要靠各位去執行好 我們往下看所以呢這些呢 來我們看一下波音公司採韓通公司採購波音新機江次長最近台灣的國行有跟美國大局的買客機嗎只買了這些啊 |
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是買了這些啊 有沒有 華航買實價長榮買這些 長榮是民營的華航可不可以多買華航同一時間還買Airbus啊 買空巴啊華航每次要採購 就有人在叫叫叫啊哎呀 華航那個這個 跟美國交保護費啊不是 是平衡什麼 台美貿易逆差市長 是不是這樣子是要不要跟行政院反映一下 我們副總代表那個 嚴副總代表 是不是這樣 |
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是沒錯嘛所以政策要清楚我們對美採購是要平衡台美貿易逆差台美貿易的這個順差差距就這麼簡單往下看國防支出這裡面上面那個表沒有寫因為沒有統計我們沒有辦法統計美國跟全世界出售了多少的軍購但是我們台灣跟美國買了多少軍購很清楚軍購這個供應市場啊美國大概是獨家啦 |
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台灣想要去買不跟別人買也沒辦法現在是不是既然你川普政府要我們平衡台美的貿易我們多買軍購我們的江次長這個不是你管的你覺得站在你進步立場有沒有道理是的賴總統也有講到我們會增加我們國防採購GDP要達到3%嘛是不是到3%好所以接下來我們幾位先暫時留著我現在問下一個題目財政部 |
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受險業投資公件開大門這是陳副主委 這金管會公布的嘛對不對前天公布嘛 昨天的報紙很大的寬弧嘛有什麼效果 |
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效果是什麼其實因為呢我們在一個不管在高雄高雄的一個專區而且我們會把它RBC若是公共建設降到1.28所以說簡單講啦這是一個極大的誘因搜選公司掌握了我們很多的國民鈔和儲蓄啦必須要有投資管道啦你開放公建這些錢就不用去買美債可以在國內投資是不是這樣簡單講是好那他可以直接買公建嗎不是嘛要有什麼要有投顧嘛是不是這樣子所以我們看到了 |
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當我們要發展國際型金控的時候一定要有規模部長 你來看一下 來 下一頁今天的社論說什麼公股投信整併應該積極推動第一金 兆豐投信 合庫投信還有呢 華南永昌投信公股的這四家現在金管會已經把受險的市場顧客幫你找好了可以投資公建了他等著要買啊誰要來服務這些受險的客戶 |
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就是我們公股的這四家嘛結果呢你看一下總資產額這麼小這麼小不合併沒有競爭力所以近期財政部近期發布報告讓大家對於公股投信的合併前感到悲觀報告聲稱四家公股金控投信診病的可行性及縱效上沒有共識這些投信的不可替代性診病缺乏規模經濟效益及員工意願不足等部長這是你們財政部的態度嗎 |
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我想對這個有關這個整併的部分我們持續也會去了解經營管會已經把這樣的市場顧客都找好了國內的授權公司可以來投資國內的公件不用再去買美債了那我們國內是不是要有人來幫我們操作操作是不是要有一定的規模都有人說我們的國泰金我們的這個 |
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互幫全部加起來 才能進入世界的有競爭力的排行榜所以規模很大 結論來了所以請經濟部 江市長請經濟部盤點我國進口品項大宗 據移轉向沒採購的潛力金單 可以嗎有些數據你們還看得到 我還找不到啊 |
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報告委員我們現在正在做這件事現在正在做什麼時候可以給本席因為這個涉及未來跟對美如果有必要要做談判所以不能公開這是事實發生的啊對不對潛力清單嘛有可能嘛多買波音客機嘛多買軍購嘛多買天然氣嘛這是我們嘗試判斷得到的嘛嘗試判斷不到的要告訴我們大象大象給社會行政共識第二財政部莊部長 |
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請財政部就公股投信士兵醫的效益評估和其層提出報告並對相關的法規示你一個清單可以嗎好的 |
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那個字改掉了是效益評估和時間表對不起我漏了時間表什麼時候可以給是不是給我們三個月的時間三個月所以我的時間表還在加上三個月等你給時間表 |
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時間表上第一欄就是要三個月給好 可以 三個月可以等你總之公股投信勢並一一定要有進度因為今晚會相關的法規已經做了準備財政部不要怯於邁出這第一步好不好好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝眾委員的諮詢下面請李燕秀委員諮詢 |