| IVOD_ID |
159678 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159678 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:19:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:33:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900ed58ea748aa60b6bb4606480da88618d1f25d2de176b75bc8976a5e7dc8100215ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:28 - 10:33:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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主席我們先請劉秘書長麻煩部長是秘書長 |
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委員長好我大概接下來會針對幾個問題那如果有需要的時候我們部長再上來幫就是說比較詳細的這些規劃再請部長上來說明這個剛才在早上的前面委員質詢包括吳世堯委員包括剛剛的林建啟委員都提到了這個我們現在規劃中的這個公務人員身心調試價的這個相關問題這個部分齁這個 |
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這個事實上在我不知道那時候我們在去年12月這考試委員會這個這個有關被提名人的這個這個全員委員會裡面我那時候我大概我的主題就是這個身心調資家那針對那時候的這個考試委員被提名人徵詢他們的意見那在 |
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在上個月我們總統府的這個健康台灣推動委員會也正式他們所做成的獲得共識要增訂這個身心調適假總統府也這樣子宣布那在上個禮拜 |
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我們這本委會這個請這個人事人事長到本委會來說明的時候他也大概針對這個申請調適價的大方向大概都都剛剛你們說明也是說現在在進入這個整個配套的研擬的程序了那這個 |
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上禮拜人事長在這裡提出大概他是我們到目前為止講的最具體的官方的說法就是大概有三大原則第一個就是目前 |
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擁有薪水,所以你請申請假,他有薪水。第二個,不影響考積,請申請假不影響考積。第三個原則就是說,不用檢附證明。這是那時候人事長所講的三大原則。我要請問我們秘書長,或者是部長,我們來回答。我們現在目前的這個制定的這個方向,是不是就是這三大原則? |
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跟委員報告其實總署在討論這個案子的時候也邀各機關一起去討論包括我們也邀我們部裡面去所以這三大原則其實是共識是共識所以到我們部裡面來的方案就是這樣剛剛很多委員都關心但是我現在接下來 |
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接下來我就是要跟你討論在這三大原則之下我們整個配套到底有哪些東西我們就以這三大原則來做細部的一個討論那因為我們請教規則還是一個程序嘛然後會再有一個行政程序然後預告完以後然後以這三大原則來做規劃再送給考試員那這三大原則其實這三大原則之前還有一個最大的原則就是我們目前規劃是剛剛也有提到就是在七天試駕裡面內涵 |
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對不對在目前的這個七天市價裡面挪三天來當作升薪調試價就是他就列入這個七天的幾薪價七天的市價裡面的這三天那這個我們現在按照剛才部長有回答過就是這個方向這個剛剛部長回答說這個應該很快因為大家都有高度的共識所以是相關的所以我現在就是要跟你討論說好在這幾個原則之下這三大原則以及我們剛剛講說七天 |
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試駕裡面挪三天這個部分七天試駕挪三天這個部分我想到時候可能會是是一個大家會有比較不同意見的地方就究竟他是要外加三天還是要你要把它內含在這個試駕的七天內這個部分可能榮獲會有討論但是我先以現在所講這幾個原則來討論我目前有哪一些法必須要修 |
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我們現在所謂的配套在進行主要是請假規則公務人員請假規則公務人員請假規則這一定要修的是公務人員請假規則因為目前公務人員請假規則第三條的這個第一項他所列出的這些這個期款裡面所列出的價沒有升級調制價所以一定要在這個我們要正式把它放在這個請假規則裡面請假規則應該是第一 |
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第一項的這個技術上可能放在第一項第一項的第一款就是目前的試駕啦目前的試駕相關規定因為你把它放在試駕裡面嘛所以應該就是這一款必須要增列身心調試駕嘛好但是這只是其中之一啦事實上還有為什麼因為你們剛剛講不影響烤機 |
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對不對這是原則嘛不影響考積所以你的公務員考積法的施行細則是不是也必須要修改這相關的就會開始在考積的部分我現在要問的是相關的有哪一些我現在我看到的是公務員請假規則我看到的考積法施行細則必須要修改對不對這個目前以我看起來這個原則的話大概我剛剛講這個公務員請假規則的 |
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第三條第一項第一款必須要修改 |
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但是這裡面大概有幾個啦第一個就是說剛剛所講的說我們把這個身心調試假放到這個試假的七天當中這個狀況看起來你到時候會有一些計算上面的問題我放到這七天裡面是不是我七天我譬如說我原本身心沒有問題但是我今年我可以有七天的試假甚至牽涉到這個 |
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考積的話我五天試駕請五天試駕不影響考積五天以上就影響考積了所以我可能原本我就是差不多請了五天結果我在年末的時候突然身心上面有問題我要再加請身心調適駕那這時候怎麼辦那就影響考積啦你說不影響考積 |
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那或者說我之前已經請過身心調適假那接下來我在年末的時候真的家裡又有事情那我就就因為我雖然不是因為身心調適假而影響烤雞但是實質上他就影響到我釋迦的天數了對不對 |
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沒有錯因為那個很多個案的狀況非常非常複雜不過我們整個請假規則的設計就是原來就是可以有七天的繼續拿薪水的試駕那撇開這個以外你就可以有自己的休假還有一些其他的假可以使用其實你這個身心調適假跟現在的這個所謂家庭照顧假相當的類似像家庭照顧假現在是不是也放在這七天裡面對也放在這七天試駕裡面沒錯 |
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那這個大概是這樣子的制度設計但是那我要請問說比較細節啦那因為我們的這個剛剛所講的請假規則第三條裡面在第二項它有關於任職未滿一年它的這個在職的月數比例這個市價它就按照這個比例那升薪調資價也是任職未滿一年也是照這個比例做嗎 |
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這個比較細節的事情我想我們在討論的時候大方向應該會是往這個方向啦但是我想比方他是併市價但是我們比較細的部分會在跟機關討論的時候再做一次充分的一個交換意見因為未來你們的規劃有一個大原則說不必有薪水但是你們不用減負證明所以也就是說我今天我要請市價或是我要請身心調市價這完全是當事人 |
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這是為了避免就是說請深思如果還要有這個會怕有這個標籤化所以我們目前規劃先走這個方向 |
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好那這個是我們講的這個有關請假規則的部分但是就公務人員考積法施行細則在第四項有兩項必須修正的第一個是這個考積法施行細則的第四項的第四款有關這個 |
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市價併價資質數因扣除家庭照顧價生理價安胎室有所請之事 |
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這個部分按照你們目前的說法大原則應該在這一款裡面必須要加上生性調適假對不對生性調適假他也不合併合計在釋加病假的日數嘛對不對所以這一條也要修正我想委員這些比較很好的一個指教我想我們事後就會我今天講你們列入紀錄希望說我們在研究的時候就這些另外就是這個第六 |
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第六項 一樣同條 第四條同樣第六項有關這個依法令規定日數所核給之家庭照顧假生理假婚假產前假免假流產假賠產假還有安胎事項這些所請之假不得列入 |
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一烤雞一隻烤糧這個部分也必須要修改對不對對他也必須要再加上加上生氣調適價嘛對不對對有相關的這些規定我這是我個人看到的啦那我相信你們在演演你們這種算你們專業演藝也許還有更多的規則是需要修改你們是不是能夠通盤的整個給給給我們一份報告就是哪哪一些法令你們必須要修做做做修正好不好好沒問題謝謝好謝謝那接下來齁 |
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剛剛大家有提到有關於公務人員報考人數下降幾乎每一次祕書長到立法院來,大概都會有人來問這一題這個也很無奈,回答就是其實社會結構改變是一個最主要原因 |
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還有現在這個就業市場不像十年前社會結構那麼單一現在就業市場非常多元所以這個結構是這樣子的但是大家還是會提出很多的對策提出很多希望說我們能夠檢討我這邊要提一個比較 |
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說起來是小問題但是跟我們現在目前所希望這就有關這個這個這個我們報考人數一直下降的問題有點矛盾的齁這是有關於我們說我們提到說明年度開始要調整國考的報名費這部分齁我們一方面我們就說啊這個報考人數越來越少同時我們明年又要提高報名費你先禮拜阿公阿娘又要企業 |
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這個我當然知道這個劉部長已經上來準備回答這一題因為我們這個基金的問題基金要用盡了嘛那我們報名費每年一直都沒有調漲所以我們收的錢不足以來支付這個基金會用盡但是 |
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調整報名費我個人認為絕對不是解藥絕對不是解藥我覺得這個部分真的要你把這個我們基金的目前的財務狀況轉嫁到這些報考的考生一方面我們人口結構就已經在改變了報名的人數越來越少那你又去調整這個報名費我個人認為說這是 |
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這是有矛盾的啦我們真正釜底抽薪的辦法應該是我們要跟要跟這個主計處跟行政院我們直接來考慮這個整個考選基金結構的改變你要讓考選基金的來源的基金的來源去改變不是說我目前規定說考選基金的來源是應考人繳交的報名費是本基金的知行收入是這個受證的收入還有其他有關收入 |
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是不是由這個基金的這個收入來源的這個結構去跟主技術跟行政院來協商去改變這個結構像日本的這國公務員考試是不收報名費的這個這個劉部長知道吧大概知道大概知道了齁那這個我們說為了基金基金倒了這個也是要解決的但解決之道我認為 |
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你們再三思啦這個調整報名費國考的報名費我個人認為說不是真正釜底抽薪解決未來報考人數會越來越少不是越調越高調到後來只要有錢人才能報考這個方向我覺得是錯誤的方向我們應該是要來調整這個考選基金的結構 |
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跟我們報告兩個重點一個就是說我們目前國家考試的收費標準相較於其他的各種考試檢定等等都是非常非常低的這個是你去跟民間的這些其實我們也有體貼到考生的這個經濟負擔所以你相關我剛剛就舉日本的例子日本我比較熟的舉日本例子日本他們公務員考試是不收報名費的 |
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第二個就是說過去幾年我也持續跟前後任的主計長不停的在討論跟請託那我也必須說主計總署歷來對考試院還是有提供相當的協助所以並不是把所有的考試成本都轉嫁到考生的報名費上面那很多特別是資本門的投資其實主計總署還是有給我們相當的支援 |
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所以顯然是資源你們認為這種資源還不夠你們才去調報名費嗎的確是還沒有辦法完全解決這個問題那我覺得福利抽薪還是要徹底從這個財務結構從這個考選基金的結構去改變而不是來收考考生的報名費好不好謝謝委員長謝謝請劉秘書長這個你要積極的跟行政院跟主計處這邊來 |
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來具體的來講說要怎麼解決這個考選基金要破產的問題好不好好 謝謝 |