| IVOD_ID |
159675 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159675 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:13:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:26:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db90002c2edfe8f0c3dc07648dfe0a0275fc51f25d2de176b75bc183e890e354bbf0e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:29 - 10:26:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們今天要討論少子化這麼重要的一個議題這個不曉得我們衛福部部長為什麼沒有出席我們國發會的主委為什麼沒有到我們教育部來的陳琦也只是副署長請問各部會的首長到底在忙什麼來我們請那個衛福部國發會上來你們的 |
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你們的部長 主委都在忙什麼你們部長在忙什麼這麼重要的議題只派市長來衛福部有在關心嗎少子女化的議題已經是國安議題了今天是什麼重大的事情部長不能來委員會備選 |
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報告委員感謝委員的對於這個事情問題的關心那我跟委員報告現在那個部長他因為今天早上必須要出席那個院會那院會裡面今天有一個是有關於我們醫療生整個那個醫療生跟計劃那報告完院會沒有開很久啊就不回來了後續我也有開過行政院會啊後續他要後續 |
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後續因為有那個我們全社會防衛任性關他什麼事那包委那個總統在主持的欸包委那因為可是這裡面也會牽涉到那個我們醫療的部分你們是主責單位嗎是國防部吧包委不關國防部這個是一個全民動員有沒有保護同啊今天委員會這麼重要少子女化的議題不來包委國發會呢國發會的主委呢國發會主委去哪裡來國發會的代表是誰回答請回答 |
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報告委員 其實在少子女化這個業務的分工上面你們不是主管的單位嗎不是怎麼又不是沒有 現在是分工的方式是由督導社福的政務委員在行政院層級組成跨部會的會議來那你們扮演什麼角色你們國發會不是主導我每一次問少子女化的議題各部會都說現在國發會正在研擬一些草案 |
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你們不主導報告委員在106年以後行政院的分工有所調整那誰負責你說政委負責哪一位政委那今天要請他過來啊督導社福的政委誰陳時中政委 |
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所以是他一個人負責沒有一個相關的部會來做主責單位現在就是這樣的狀態嘛大家看到的就是國花費說不是他衛福部也不是主責勞動部也不是主責大家都不是主責單位那主責機關是誰我只問少子女化現在問題這麼嚴重已經是國安問題了請問主管機關主責統合所有單位的主管機關是誰 |
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哪一個單位 講啊 都講不出來這個就是我們現在的現況嘛這麼重要的議題結果有一個專門的單位扛起來在負責這件事嗎國發會現在竟然說不是他過去大家認為是國發會來主導結果現在國發會說不是這是什麼時候改變的 那難不成是衛福部嗎市長是你嗎現在變成是你們衛福部要來主責嗎 |
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現在那個原先在撰寫上我之前聽到都是國發會啊不是嗎現在又說不是了那誰 |
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我今天要弄懂這一題包委 因為現在是這樣現在目前 王委員你也非常關心兒少權益嘛那兒少權益裡面其實在行政委裡面就一個委員會那那個委員會其實事實上也是由那個政委他來主持那我們現在目前是就是說是透過一個整個跨部會協調的方式王委員你也非常清楚少子女化的造成事實上是一個多元因素所以這裡面會牽涉到很多很多相關的部會 |
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所以這裡面我們是提高就誠如剛剛我們處長剛剛所說現在是提高到一個是由政委他來做整個統合跟協調的一個部份政委一個人他不是神一個人就可以做完所有的事情那請問他下面他的最重要的幕僚機關是誰主責的單位是誰要統合其他部會的這個幕僚單位是誰不是國發會現在又變成你衛福部了先前是你說那個撰寫好像是教育部是吧 |
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是教科文處行政院的教科文處又變教育部教育部的教科文處少子女化的這個疫情是教育部負責不是啦 包委員我們現在目前是多方協議那我今天問的問題誰要來回答我 |
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我現在要進入問題了我們現在的問題裡面勞工不想生小孩的原因怕賺的錢不夠買不起房沒辦法給小孩一個家我們的租金增幅高達8.5%我們的住宅價格增幅高達35.3% |
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我就要問在我們的少子女化對策裡面關於租屋關於住宅這一項請問今天出席的部會有任何一個部會可以回答我這個問題嗎請問我們現在針對少子女化我們的住宅政策是什麼誰要回答 |
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都不知道都沒有答案這不是我的主責啦那住宅部分事實上是內政部那但我據我側面的我個人有限的知識的了解就是說這裡面他們對於有關社會住宅對於就是說只要有那個有生小朋友他們事實上這裡面是有增加其他的權重的 |
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這個是很久以前的最近更新的他們有做什麼事情嗎我就告訴你最近南韓他們大力推動的他們做了什麼事情他們在公共住宅政策在首爾他們新婚的夫妻生育後最長可以租期可以達20年 |
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然後20年後有機會低於市價20%的購屋他們提供了3500套釜山他們提供了1萬套你生育一名子女20年免費住房的補貼生育兩名子女終生免費住房 |
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全羅北道生子就可以免租有500套沒有子女你結婚付一半租金生育以後租金全免我就問當人家南韓這樣子急起直追在住宅政策他有這樣子的一個很具體的端出來之後請問我們台灣我們的是什麼我們因應少子女化政策我們的公共住宅政策是什麼 |
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請回答包委因為你現在所列也都是地方政府那這些地方政府這邊我們當然會希望就是說他們也能夠根據地方政府趕快來做你們中央根本沒有一套想法連一個主管機關都沒有這個就是我看到的現象我們現在嫂子女話坦白講我們有三缺第一個缺的就是我們根本沒有一個專責的單位來統籌來處理 |
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另外一個就是我們的住宅政策根本就是空的人家當南韓急起直追他們去年剛端出這個新的我要問你們我們新的政策是什麼第三個是我們的加碼補助力道根本就不夠我今年二月才訪問新加坡新加坡也一樣是少子女化的問題我 |
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剛好在當地訪問的時候他們政府剛宣布在新加坡你生育第三胎馬上補助1.6萬的新幣換算台幣將近40萬這個就是他們在因應最新的形式他們願意去加碼他們願意去思考新的方法來提振他的生育率反觀我們台灣呢我剛問了半天我們因應少子女化對策這麼關鍵重要的議題 |
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沒有一個專責單位2017年還有一個行政院少子化辦公室還設一個辦公室但是2017年又把它取消了現在根本就沒有了然後剛剛問下來國發會還說這個不是他的業務最後退到一個教育部要寫報告 |
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這不很離譜嗎 請問我們的政府有在重視嗎那今天這麼重要的議題 部長 主委通通請假缺席都沒有參與討論 也不討論 都派次長成席的 |
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過來而已甚至連副主委都沒有過來請問我們用這樣子的一個力道我們這麼的漫不經心難怪我們看到的我們的人口數沒有最低只有更低去年好不容易農年看可不可以幫生育率打一劑強心針結果有沒有沒有大家看看這個數字去年農年的出生率比2023年還要低 |
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這個真的是國安危機啊但是你看到我們現在政府在忙什麼搞大罷免然後真的該推的如果行政院長這麼有空的話他硬要在院會裡面好好主持這樣的會議啊 |
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他有時間下鄉 但是這麼重要的一個少子化的議題 國安議題我沒有看到整個行政院團隊用最大的力氣 最足夠的資源來解決這樣一個問題 沒有各行其事 連你衛福部也沒有啊你衛福部哪個機關負責這個事情 社家署社家署下面的誰 |
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只是一個科你有沒有覺得你的成績非常非常的低你看看人家日本是怎麼做的日本2023年已經成立了兒童家庭廳直接隸屬首相你有沒有覺得很羨慕 次長人家是用國家的力量重視的程度是提高到首相成績直接隸屬於他那代表他一種決心他就是要解決這個問題我們是在你衛福部社家屬裡面的一個小的科啊 |
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這做得到什麼事情然後國發會應該是整個政府的大腦你們也撇得一乾二淨說不是我那是誰沒有耶沒有一個人在主導這整個的大計畫你們說是政委一個政委有這麼的神奇嗎 |
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他如果沒有一個很強的一個專屬的單位來幫助他做政策的擬定我們端得出一個像樣的因應少子化的對策嗎你們在報告裡面只提到你們107年到114年有這樣的一個計畫我要告訴你的是人家其他國家怎麼與時俱進南韓怎麼樣追上來新加坡我今年剛去訪問他們又端出新的加碼措施我們台灣有嗎 |
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沒有 因為我們連專責的單位都沒有在處理這件事情然後嘴巴只會一直喊說 國安危機 國安危機但是沒有用國家級的資源人力組織編制來應應這樣一個問題所以它其實還會再惡化這個市長當過學者 你應該要知道說這樣一個議題你用現在這樣的處理方式是解決不了問題的 |
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你都是在低層次的部分在處理你沒有往更高的政策更遠的方向就是在思考在做調整國家的力量沒有進來所以這個議題今天我很不滿意的是 |
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部長級的都沒有出席對這個議題的漠視這個是讓我們覺得沒有辦法接受行政院層級也沒有相對的組織跟編制就是來回應這樣一個問題所以我希望這個行政部門回去好好檢討少子化議題不是說國安問題它不能只是個口號 |
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你看看人家南韓跟新加坡跟日本在做什麼我們真的現在差太遠了請大家好好的改進謝謝包委我們簡單我們這個專責機構現在目前部長有指示我們會趕快來推動也感謝委員的指教謝謝 |