| IVOD_ID |
159670 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159670 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T10:03:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:15:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900e415c9ea257b0ac91a80f058510e45ac1f25d2de176b75bc091ed520d06e93fd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:40 - 10:15:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會劉主任委員鏡清、經濟部郭部長智輝、農業部陳部長駿季就「因應美國川普政府對等關稅策略與我國被列入骯髒十五國名單，我國政府財經相關單位因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝主席我想我先請這個經濟部次長和經管會次長經管會的副主委陳副主委委員好 |
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市長好市長今天的標題報紙媒體有針對中國這個浪潮的部分有關於治安的部分列入美國的這個黑名單當中經濟部說要徹查有違規的話最重要是廢止這個公司許可同樣的問題 |
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在投審師的部分之前也造成一個漏洞也就是Anytech的部分認知科技它本來進來的時候是股東兩位都是新加坡人就進來沒多久之後就變更股東成為北京的江榮信科技江榮信科技背後是中國的中小企業發展基金有限公司也實質上是中國財政部所控制的25%結果你們竟然只有用這個為 |
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那個登記不實的情況底下處罰217萬資安的問題這麼嚴重他賣的是給國泰他還可能賣給這個星光還有富邦影響到是整體的整個這個個資的部分大概超過三分之一以上你們這個比例原則是不是有所失衡啊 次長 |
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是的委員他原來呢確實是新加坡商來做登記但是在經營的期間呢他就換了兩位股東一位監察人還有一位技術長就掩蓋不法的事實嘛有他的意圖嘛 |
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我們後來有去了解以後呢 確實有發現只罰兩百一十七萬你們有沒有像剛剛一樣美國發布了名單中國浪潮的問題你們就說要徹查徹查完以後不排除廢紙公司許可為什麼相對於這個案子當中這麼軟弱這麼溫柔差那麼多 |
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因為因為最主要呢他還是他登記的是新加坡商但是我們有了解到這個重要性30%以上實質的影響力中資最有實質的影響力這樣的情況底下就是列為中資了你還在想當初登記的是新加坡人報告委員這個是我們第一步先可以罰處罰他217萬這只是小菜 |
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最後呢我們還是會再去查根據兩岸關係條例第37條的規定嚴重性必須撤銷許可有沒有可能我們會再去做考量這意圖不謀啊很清楚啊資安的問題何等嚴重啊是不是好我請問副主委副主委這問題這麼嚴重為什麼國泰明明知道這是中資的公司喔 |
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這中資的公司大剌剌 還跟富邦接洽喔還跟星光接洽 這主要的前排 前五大的耶難道他完全沒有治安的意識 完全沒有國安的意識嗎 副主委是 跟委員報告 我分兩個一個具體事實面的部分 就是說其實委員擔心的這個部分其實我們都看到 我們一聽到這個訊息我們就有跟這個所謂國泰世華 就是請他們過來 |
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但說其實他們還沒有上線也沒有測試所以是資料部分沒有外洩這是事實面法規面的部分我們來看到的第一點的話就是國泰在2月24號就把它解約那在我們自己本身你講的這個我在報紙上都有看到我們自己本身的檢討我比較有看到是資安審查有沒有更嚴格的規範要如何落實賴清德總統所說的金融資安的政見這就變成一大破口了 |
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是 有兩個部分 特別是在一個當然是說對於我先問啦 法不法啦法不法啦 國泰法不法在這個地方 陰湯區是 報告委員那目前的話我們就是請國泰世華提供相關的資料那我們再確認一下它整個過程上有沒有什麼一些什麼時候可以知道 |
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你沒有一個殺雞儆猴的方式大家隨便啊他明明就已經表明他是中資了你還在跟他接洽這有沒有搞錯啊副主委你回去好好查清楚這件事情啊我時間非常有限啊請副主委回答江次留著然後我們請部長還有農委會農業部的副次長 |
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部長 莊部長我先請教妳一下上次我問妳說黃曉玉的部分妳說3月25號要開會為什麼到現在為止報紙都還沒有得知到底那個3歲的部分有沒有延後啊 |
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已經開會決定了會再延長到9月30再延長半年跟黃小玉的部分再延長半年其他天然氣石油一樣減增不管是關稅貨物稅跟營業稅就為了整個CPI的因素對沒錯也是考慮到因為外食的一個費用的以及房租租金上漲那你請在旁邊休息一下謝謝 |
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那因為這一個央行的報告的三項當中又多了一項多了一項跟農業部有息息相關也就是說呢農業的相關產品的這一個關稅可以作行調整本息整理的這一個內容當中我想請問一下那個次長那個次長你覺得這裡頭有沒有哪幾個可以調整的 |
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應該這樣說啦其實農業在各項關稅裡面其實是相對敏感即便美國的整體的關稅是低的但它的農業品項的關稅還是高的所以其實相對而言其實關稅的對等關稅不是他們調就是我們降嘛 |
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我們像是央行的報告說你們有空間喔央行在這邊喔那報告裡頭寫的喔就是農產品的部分所以我就農產品的實質的主要的內容講給你聽嘛哪幾個比較有可能我譬如講現在金額最高的是牛肉嘛 |
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牛肉這次減增的部分有減增五塊啦這個我都查過另外的部分黃小玉的部分也列在上面那雞肉的部分是國產的市佔率最高蘋果的部分是目前所有的市佔率最低嘛對不對這樣你還看不出來嗎 |
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但是其實雞肉的部分因為國產雞肉在我們國內消費的品項不一樣都互補了他們主要是冷凍跟雞腿這我都查過了啦是這樣沒有不對所以說你這裡看有調整的空間你有沒有調整的對象啊 |
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還是沒有討論你們是到底討論還是沒有討論就品項的部分還沒有進行討論都還沒有開始討論就央行報告之後你們會不會討論 |
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我們會跟產業在座溝通因為其實每一項都會對國內產業有影響我也不希望如此啦但是我們要有一些積極面對謝謝委員提醒該面對我們還是要得面對嘛不是嗎好 那個經濟部來經濟部剛剛談了很多汽車的部分啦我覺得汽車這個部分當然是可以來談但我們來談央行的部分還有說可以購買這個所謂的這個能源好 能源我就調整出來了天然氣的部分以美國來說啦 |
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它佔了大概不到10%然後進口的部分有2113萬棟然後七成是長約三成是短約那代表三成是不是有ASOP的空間就是說你們跟阿拉斯加所簽訂的MOU是不是從這三成的短約來做調整 是不是是 中油才在最近跟阿拉斯加的石油公司有簽約那我們有表達我們願意 |
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增加採購的這個意向我們對天然氣以後的整個能源目標是50%嘛對不對所以這個一定有空間嘛空間大概可以到哪裡但是因為這個也要看這個阿拉斯加它供氣的這個能量還有因為它要開始開採所以這個方式最有可能符合像那個央行的報告當中天然那個能源採買的部分嘛這是第一個符號第二個的部分石油的部分石油的部分目前美國的部分佔有大概有三成 |
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520.404 |
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夜遊園的部分主要啦但是長的部分有六成短的部分有四成短的部分是不是彈性空間更大確實這個石油的部分我們也有在做檢討也中油公司也有在考量是不是有可以增加對美國的進口這個部分還有在討論有在討論也就是說也是在短約的部分四成部分有調整嗎 |
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535.042 |
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可是你作為經濟部是一個上級單位來說你應該給中油一個目標啊貿易逆差這麼嚴重以後可能會更嚴重現在第六名搞不好我們會擠出前五名不一定啊那你總是要給他一個目標值嘛對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
536.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
564.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
跟委員報告其實在你不是說交給中油你來這邊跟我說你交給中油你太無負責任了吧報告委員其實我們在行政院有個台美經貿的專案小組這一些裡面我們都有討論討論 那我們不要講一下嘛我們有討論我看起來天然氣的部分能源的部分是最有可能的我們現在軍事沒有在這邊嘛農產品相對又有限嘛農產品本來我們就入超國嘛28億然後到底能源的部分有多少我覺得這是很關鍵的地方你要回避問題跟我講一下 |
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566.032 |
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581.964 |
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因為這個可能未來涉及到我們跟美國的談判所以到底要增加多少的部分的話我們有附案但是現在可能不方便對外說明那請這個經貿辦公室談判辦公室上來一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
590.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
613.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那副代表我問你一下台美之前的貿易協定上次已經到了進入第二階段第二實體的部分第二階段如果完成的話等於完成了60%的FTA對不對當以前是不是這樣子我們現在在做的談判基本上都是屬於沒有涉及到市場進入的這些規則性的談判所以沒有辦法很明確的量化這個數字 |
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615.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
628.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那是你們自己代表講的啦你們可能自己沒有看新聞我只要問你一件事情啦去年五月的這個部分後來有沒有進度我們在第二階段在談農業勞工那你覺得拜登的政策那個川普會繼續延續嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
629.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
649.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
目前看起來環境政策拜登跟川普政府有比較大的差異那勞工政策上面我們看到川普政府是有所差異嘛對不對環境有差異環境對然後勞工接下來第二階段是實質還有農業剛剛我們討論到農業有可能會面對有沒有可能接軌不坎拜在一起跟我們今天討論關稅的問題相關的地方做一個討論有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
652.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
663.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我想因為現在美國也提到說他們4月1號會公佈現在美國所現有的這些經貿協定沒有啦 公佈歸公佈啦你們到底有沒有什麼進途啊這個部分有沒有可能持續啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
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689.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我們當然會爭取,我們希望可以繼續進行但是我們必須要等待4月1號他公布我們的台美第一階段協議跟接下來第二階段的談判第一階段已經完成,第二階段遲遲沒有進度啦我講實在話啦,有沒有可能我想不要過度樂觀啦要確實評估啦,趕快跟國人報告好不好好,謝謝好,謝謝國人的質詢,下一位請鍾嘉斌委員質詢 |