| IVOD_ID |
159668 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159668 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T09:54:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T10:13:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db9006e5c35a67f8f2bd37648dfe0a0275fc51f25d2de176b75bcaca9bc7b5eabd6695ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳菁徽 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:54:41 - 10:13:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部、勞動部、國家發展委員會、教育部、法務部針對「少子女化衝擊，如何營造友善托育環境」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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委員 各位官員 主席 大家好首先想要請這個勞動部的次長理事長是 委員好 |
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次長好第一個我想關注的議題是因為昨天有許多警消人員他們有私訊來反映這件事情那我相信工會法也會是未來我們勞動部或是在未還委員會講的議題之一比如說他們可不可以有罷工權他們可不可以組工會等等的 |
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那您的部長呢之前在上政論節目的時候曾經說他是支持罷工權的為什麼我們警消委員會需要組工會呢其實他們是為了爭取他們的勞動權勞動條件太差想要更新設備等等等等但是昨天卻有這個民進黨黨團柯總召呢他這樣子的說法他居然滑坡到說如果警消組工會警消罷工的話呢那中共就會趁機入侵 |
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擾台因為這個警消組工會會把整個政府都癱瘓掉請問您認同這樣子的說法嗎 次長 |
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那個科診總統的意見我們都尊重尊重那您要不要幫警消人員說幾句話他們如果想要爭取他們正確的勞權或是罷工權等等的其實是為他們自身的權益我們不要讓他們被抹紅好嗎當然當然勞動部當然是維護那個勞動者他們的勞動權益的所以警消人員並不會影響到中共犯台嗎對吧 |
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這個我想委員柯總的意見我們都尊重但是我們還是認為勞動權益只要是勞動者包括警消人員我們勞動部都是要協助維護的好 謝謝次長幫我們警消打火弟兄講話那再來我們希望請這個衛福部次長您先請坐好 謝謝請呂次長 |
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市長我們有一個前瞻計畫每次為了少子化都會來這邊編列特別預算那衛黃委員會也是很大方的因為我們也認為少子化就連中研院院士都已經講到這是我們國家非常重要的問題那提醒你這邊 |
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您有一個少子化友善育兒空間建設建構0到2歲兒童社區公共托育計畫這個分工上呢您卻被行政院評比為紅燈是跟海委會並列喔是他們需要來積極輔導的是不是有這件事 |
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嚴重落後 進度嚴重落後報告委員 感謝委員的關心 那現在目前最新的那個進度我們現在目前已經解除了 已經解除這個列管 你看一下這個圖我們現在已經解上了 藍色的線 |
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藍色的線是你們預定執行的進度黃色的是你們經費達成率到9月10月11月行政院覺得哇這實在是跟你們預定的進度落差太大了所以當時找了台南市高雄市宜蘭縣地方政府來輔導你們是不是有這件事報告委員我們現在是這樣這個部分我們在推的時候我們地方政府那邊確實是有一些相關的延擋那來這邊先請這一個 |
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報告委員是這個少子女化計畫相關經費都是補助到地方政府去設立相關的機構所以進度的部分都在地方來掌握所以是我們去看地方政府現在執行的狀況那你們現在的經費達成率大概是多少因為前瞻到八月就要結束了 |
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我們去年的執行的去年的執行率核定率是都經費都有核定出去實際的執行率大概是在八成多就跟這個圖一樣嘛 對不對83% |
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是完全照合訂的部分 經費都有合給地方 就是地方有申請的部分因為你們之前設定自己 比如說公共托育32處托育資源一處 社會福利中心一處兒少家庭福利館一處 還有緊急安置一處請問這些你的目標什麼時候你可以全部達成 |
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跟委員報告計畫上這邊所提到年度目標點數的部分都有照計畫有核定出去那但是地方政府在佈建因為他的有工程施工能在期程上面有少數的部分他的期程沒有完但是核定的數量是完全照年度目標都有核定出去甚至有超過所以32處你目前沒有辦法為我們預測什麼時候他們可以開張 |
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個別的每一個點那在計畫申請的時候跟現在在管考的時候我們都有在追個別的進度那目前來看有少數的確實在當初地方政府原來規劃的時候也許是資料或者實際上的表那今年年底前可以達成嗎2024年年底前絕大多數應該是都可以 |
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會拖 少數會拖到明年啊我要簡單做一個說明我有幾個例子 譬如像彰化彰化那個王縣長他也很積極在推動可是現在目前有問題 他現在就是說他希望把我們核給他的那個整個原來托運中心 親子館他還要結合當地的這一個那個像老人等等那些像我之前像竹塘那個案子 這就是非常成功的案子那這裡面 因為他變更設計等等這些 那所以 |
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像這些我們基本上因為我們核定出去都沒有問題像是各地方政府我們會來催那地方政府像我剛剛舉的彰化案例他們現在目前有一些他們希望做得更好integrated 整合式的好 那沒關係因為前瞻到八月嘛所以八月還有年底本席還會再來看你們的這個經費達成率跟執行進度到達哪裡好 謝謝再下一位我們會再請勞動部好 謝謝感謝委員 謝謝 |
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好 次長有看到勞動部是鼓勵這些鼓勵我們友善托嬰托兒職場等等設施我們來分析你的成效因為只要這個職場有達到100人或是250人你們都會給予鼓勵比如說不入室或是自行設計托兒機構這當然是稍微困難一點還有特約機構給予津貼等等你歷年的成效你自己覺得有沒有進步 |
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我們自己的資料我們來看是都有逐漸在進步成長 |
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好那我給你看一下有多多多竹劍啊多牛部這是你們每年會抽查的這個每年抽查1000個企業喔然後算比例好你來看有設立托兒服務機構的從108年到112年是1.1到1.3 1.4在成長我們來用分母來看啦你就是每年其實就是增加一兩家而已這樣你也算是進步嗎 |
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陳委員報所謂第一項世界單位設立托兒服務機構我們都有補助他新設立的托兒設施我們去年已經修改法令從300萬補助到最高500萬另外如果是要改善世界單位要改善托兒設施我們有補助大概最多50萬 |
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那你看這個沒有提供托兒措施其實也沒有改善多少那我們來看一下你的執行率啦這邊呢其實我們也是對你們非常的好我們總共讓你們在救安基金編了多少4268萬元喔全部都 |
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全部都讓你們做 結果你們最後是執行率是七成 最後只有花了三千萬就像你剛剛講的 你剛剛已經把最高補助 你這些傳單都發出去啦五百萬 五十萬 六十萬 還有你花的這些沒宣費只有十九個讚 我昨天還幫你點了第二十個讚 |
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那個其實不是只有這一個平台我們其他平台也有的我懂但是你覺得你這樣子的執行率七成好嗎你是不是應該要更有創意的做法是我們請市長是感謝委員關心我們那個補助企業單位來設相關的托兒設施或措施在救安基金裡面我們用救保基金來支應那其中邊的4000多萬其實我還有補助縣市政府的人力的費用還有設置企業托兒網 |
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的資訊的費用真正補助事業單位的將近兩千多萬我們全數我們幾乎百分之百全數用在補助事業單位來設拓設施或措施我這邊具體給你一個建議因為有一些願意設置的人會回饋我一些故事啦他說他們在設置的過程中可能因為這個拖音拖耳法規等等的 |
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他們會需要協助需要輔導他可能空間不足但是他是很有意願做這件事情的我也希望你們勞動部可以去調查想要有意願做這件事情你們去輔導他不然他是從零開始摸索他願意投入這筆錢但最後他卻沒有辦法做到好嗎 |
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委員我再補充說明一下我們非常感謝事業單位他願意願意願員工來提供一個友善育兒的職場所以我們是免費免費入場去輔導他因為就你所知道的他會有空地上的問題他有用地上的問題所以他而且他必須要在縣市政府不管是教育局或社會局要去立案所以這個部分我們是跨部會跨局處 |
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看哪個台北市我們就找交易局或找那個經發局等等的我們去協助他用力解決用力的問題最後空間真的沒有辦法您是否也可以輔導他去跟其他的外界的做一些 |
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我們當然就是他如果真的空間沒有辦法我們也協助他有些聯合托育的方式來協助我們這些協助全部是免費所以有任何意願的也歡迎委員可以告訴我們我們主動會去協助他是希望因為看到這個表是有點有點覺得太慢了啦所以我還是希望說未來看到這個新的表你們是比較有 |
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大比例的突破因為記得在韓國最近他們做友善職場終於有稍微也逆轉了一下出生率下一位我們請國發會今天是處長國發會處長還有我們的教育部副署長以及我們的衛福部次長 |
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好我們要看一下這是我們本院的同事黃建豪委員而且我們全院其實都為他開心他生了雙胞胎接著他就去申請了育兒津貼也順利的申請到了結果 |
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不管是罷免團體或是公民團體或是側翼等等現在卻在網路上大規模的說我們刪了育兒津貼他還去領育兒津貼等等的這些我也想問一下 |
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育兒津貼我們是在114年的少子化對策計畫下面的作業要點來進行補助請問我們先請問教育部副署長育兒津貼領不領得到學錢補助領不領得到114年 |
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沒有問題因為我們目前已經相關核定第一期已經做了處理那不管是津貼或者是就學補助目前都依序在辦理好謝謝我們副署長幫我們黃建豪委員澄清育兒津貼就學津貼是一毛都未下那次長您是不是也同意為什麼不是次長關於黃建豪委員這個事情老實說我是一無所知但是 |
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據我了解確實是有委員在衛航委員會提案並就是說凍結我們少子女化對策100萬這邊我已經幫你調出來了好下一張跟你說育兒今天我們是放在獎補助金裡面我已經幫你圈起來我已經幫你圈起來 |
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上一頁這個獎補助金我們是一毛未三喔所以育兒津貼這些錢全國人民都領得到我也請主管機關不要再放任大家造謠甚至主管機關自己再造謠好 次長你剛講到的 |
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凍結什麼呢凍結少子女化裡面完全跟育兒津貼不相關裡面的案由全部都在寫托兒 托育 育兒監視器被不當的刪除等等這些原因總共凍10案 |
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裡面不乏有我們林月琴委員的提案還有我們王振旭委員的提案所以請次長也在這邊澄清好嗎這些少子女化的凍結案跟月經貼無關請你說報告委員現在這樣就是說我們根據這個大院的這個紀錄我們是有審查凍結少子女化對策計畫是1010萬有喔我都幫你算出來我有印出來了所有的案有我也讀完了請問哪一筆跟月經貼有關 |
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對 但是委員現在目前你要推津貼當然你總是要業務總是要做那相關的那個業務推動啊那現在這個如果說有這個凍結的話我們現在這個部分我們還是必須有沒有影響這個有直接影響 間接影響這個還是必須請你回憶一下去年3月啊大家就陸陸續續解凍因為你們的確是有做得不好有這麼多額虐剛剛才剛質詢欸剛剛林月琴委員才剛質詢你欸有人刪除監視器這些事情 |
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全部都寫在暗游裡面 也有民進黨委員寫的暗游不是 委員 現在是這樣啦我想這個大家我們都會共同來關心那你要不要趕快提解凍案啊對 你是不是要趕快提解凍案而且這些是跟育兒津貼毫不相關的解凍案喔我們是為了讓你托育 托嬰的環境更安全不要再讓我們看到凱凱案欸 |
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這是藍、綠、白所有委員一起提出來的凍結案那我們也懇請大院我會全力來努力來進行相關推動市長你只需要回答我一句話114年大家是不是都可以領到育兒津貼你只要講這句話就好了 |
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都可以領到如果說如果說我們的財政收支劃分如果是現在目前這樣的情況的話那抱歉我在這邊我無法我無法我無法承諾財政收支劃分你先不要牽扯到我在講114年我剛是在講114年我剛是在講114年來那個我們請這個 |
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我們來請國發會的代表我們是不是有要再編列115年的少子化對策計畫 是不是還有跟委員報告 這個是在行政院層級這邊做討論所以你們有再因應嗎會繼續再編少子化對策計畫是嗎 |
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這個不是國發會這邊也不是國發會這邊推好那我們就請次長次長您是可以代替行政院做回答是不是因為現在財化法行政院連施行日期都還沒講出來你就冒然的說出財化法會影響育兒及租屋補貼你為什麼要這樣子恐嚇人民呢報告委員人無遠慮必有盡憂 |
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988.382 |
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我做行政官員我就必須要有一個負責任的要把任何可能性要把它考慮在內包括對於人民的這一個權利我真的都是必須要做最可能的這一個打算嘛所以你的意思是說財化法當初賴清德總統當立委的時候也提了版本蕭美琴也有版本曾立軍也有版本還有現在許多民進黨委員也有版本當時人無眼力必有盡憂嗎當時他沒有提喔 |
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你連施行日期都還不知道你就開始散放這樣子的消息報告委員這個不是什麼日子就是說有很多情況我們必須要做 |
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所以說做一個負責任的行政官員你是不是應該要好好的跟所有的地方政府溝通來發放育兒津貼這件事情還有你是不是要好好的跟政府官員溝通我們的小子化對策計畫115年 既然我們114年之前做的成效都不錯是不是也應該要繼續啊 |
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不是嗎這個才是負責任的表現啊也懇請委員和大院能夠支持我們這項預算 |
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1075.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
什麼預算我們已經支持我們全部都支持啊我們凍結的案由我現在每一項唸給你聽都是剛剛林月琴委員告訴你的事情喔都是最近社會矚目案件所發生的事情喔我們只是希望你做得更好而已剛才你也有看到我們這個勞動部做育兒場所他的執行率是七成所以為什麼我們要去監督為什麼要去凍結給你了四千萬你執行三千萬 |
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1077.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1094.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
然後呢開演唱會大手大腳花了這麼多錢這樣不用監督嗎不需要嗎所以為什麼我們要去管這些托育場所的監視器畫面等等這也是你們應該要做的啊包委所以我們現在目前已經已經提出托育服務法 |
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1094.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1116.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
然後呢我們現在目前的兒少權益法我剛都有聽你剛都已經講過了所以現在目前這個部分我叫委員會非常關心我們送托人員所以我也希望你們可以盡快把解凍案送進來不要再牽托有的沒的了那也希望在這邊非常謝謝副署長教育部副署長很認真的跟我們澄清說大家還是可以領到托兒津貼還有學錢補助謝謝 |