| IVOD_ID |
159648 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159648 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-27T09:13:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-27T09:22:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ae27c1b40c0db900ebd42436380d8e181e62e9fce1db2a03ab2aca70ba98bac07766c67842c2092a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:28 - 09:22:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、農業部部長、內政部首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「鄉村發展總體檢討及如何提升城鄉發展韌性之規劃方向」進行報告，並備質詢。【3月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
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我們請國發會好有請國發會委員長副主委好我想了解的是如果依照你們做統籌的部分那請問我們國土計畫現在延後6年那你認為我們下一步要怎麼去做 |
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國土計畫大概展演了六年那目前也增列了一條就是第八條第三項那這一個部分其實蠻重要的就是鄉村地區整體規劃那有這樣的一個在鄉村地區比較上位一點的指導那個土地怎麼樣使用再訂定鄉村細部計畫 |
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那這個銷售細部計畫就會落實到空間上面那不就是要把我們所有現在已經送到我們內政部這些各縣市送到內政部要再退到各縣市還是怎麼做我現在要了解的是說你認為現在不知道怎麼做那內政部一起上來應該是不會退對 那怎麼辦沒有 現在所有的鄉親都在 |
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疑問原本4月30號那真的很感謝就是說我們的政府有聽到地方的聲音所有的民眾本來是焦慮的現在鬆了一口氣當你今天把一塊土地然後讓他覺得說今天被劃下去之後可能未來沒有發展的空間有可能是 |
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這塊地會變成無用武之地他內心的焦慮是那是他的財產是所以當我們聽到了地方的聲音我們中央也做了一些改變延後了六年好那現在民眾在問了是可是他們現在已經被送上去的這些資料尤其被畫了農醫是 |
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因為農醫其實限制是最多的是 跟委員報告因為現在到各縣 據我所知待會再請副署長內政部這邊再補充據我所知因為這個分區圖它是比較接近現況的編定那這邊大概都已經編定完成了 |
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那這些的分區界定好之後其實在落實上面其實各鄉村或是各鄉鎮市他們其實或是縣市政府 直轄市縣市政府對他們的空間使用其實要有一定的想法而不是說就我現況這樣子就就是所以他們可是就是他們的現況跟民眾是有落差的啊就是說今天我被畫色農醫 |
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我會發射農藝之後我被限制了就是他們所得到的訊息其實是不對等的像我跟他們說其實國土計畫對你們是好的沒有一個人聽得下去因為他們已經被錯誤的訊息然後 |
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放在他們腦中裡面所以現在他們所擔心的是好那麼如果在這樣的狀況之下我們有做了一個所謂的增加條款再去做整個鄉村地區的一些重新調整或規劃那這個部分 |
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那他們該跟誰講因為這個案子像台南都已經送到內政部啦像農一被劃的被劃農一啊農二的被劃農二啊可是這六年當中我們要怎麼做來我們這個到底現在要問誰在做這個統籌現在是國土署在做統籌我是不是請國土署這邊來做說明 |
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謝謝委員的插詢第一個委員所問的部分第一件事情是現在甚至是南投縣政府還沒有交到中央做縣市的國土計畫的最後的工程分析劃定的這部分其餘的部分已經9個已經通過剩下在審議中我們董事在114年2月10號的時候有拜會南投縣的縣長 |
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副署長我知道這些是現在的過程是但是我們4月30號本來要上路現在就確定要延後6年了我現在要詢問的是這延後6年的下一步我們要怎麼做當然你們是匯集所有各縣市目前的狀況好6年會改變很多對不對難道你要把這一本現在各縣市然後做的這一本 |
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然後一直放到6年後再執行嗎是這樣嗎那跟現在大家的擔憂有什麼不一樣還是一樣啊那怎麼辦你要跟大家說下一步啊所以1月20號的部分我們除了延長的這件事情就是相歸的這個 |
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制度把它那個法定進去之後那我們現在相規可以做兩件事嘛一個事情是相規就可以再相規就可以去review現在的工人分區的相關部分從它整體規劃的部分可以去調整並且所以你的意思是說可以用這個相規的部分然後由各縣市政府再去做檢討是這樣嗎在補資料上因為畢竟六年啊 |
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是不是這6年可能有很多的變動那所以我可以再以相規來做調整是不是這樣子說有相規這個機制可以調整做復健然後列入到那個做復健可是問題是它裡面被化色了農藝啊什麼叫復健它就可以進一步做下一階段的調整嘛那這部分就是要先進行 |
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所以我是可以我不用復建啊我做復建問題是今天我的土地都已經化為農醫了啊我用復建我到底是可以做什麼樣的一個處理不是所謂復建意思是祖文的部分是依法的相關的程序所定的祖文的計畫說的祖文 |
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附的部分因為有相規這個配套機制他會放到這邊去補充去做一些相關的所以我可以用相規這個附件把我前面認為我要經由調整的我再來做一些處理之後再由附件再送上來嗎 |
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對就review完整合完之後review完他該有的農地的相關的所以目前都尚未定案嘛對不對只是把各縣市的案子有送上來就只有南投還沒有其他都送上來那未來我們就可以用鄉規這一條再去做復建補強的動作對在下一階段就可以做這個做調整那什麼時候預計什麼時候可以做這樣的調整 |
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現在我們現在主要其實是一個是在審議中的送上來的審議我們也得把它審議完嘛第二個部分是這個南投的部分一進來之後我們也要做審議不是你審議完了現在大家擔心就是這樣嘛你審議完的標準是什麼你審議完了那如果說今天在地方因為鄉規而有說需要調整六年耶副署長 |
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不是六天不是六個月這個國土計畫已經延後六年這六年你知道會發生什麼事嗎這六年原來所以你現在你審議了之後是用了審議然後再放六年嗎 |
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另外一件事情其實是現在因為還沒有全部公告還沒有公告實施現在全部的功能分區嘛那這樣子的狀況之下現在還在趨近的這個審議的階段那有相規去做檢討部分就可以指導跟指導的部分你要把這個訊息給各地方政府而且你要定一個時間這六年我要再強調 |
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國土計畫延後六年不是六天也不是六個月六年當中會發生什麼事情沒有人知道一個孩子出生也六歲他會改變怎樣也不知道所以你要定案之前你要定一個說到底我們要在什麼時候要做一個最後定案 |
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這個部分很重要你不要去核定之後然後又叫他們補強那個又會引發人心惶惶所以我只是提醒因為4月30號是我們這一期原本要執行的可是因為延後了6年所以整個情勢都改變所以我們的時間點一定要再重新訂出SOP出來 |
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547.462 |
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提早定大家才有依循的方向否則有可能又變這一次一樣可能六年後又要再延六年你先把我們這六年準備要做的全部公布大家照著這樣的劇本來走可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝 |