| IVOD_ID |
159566 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159566 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T12:05:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T12:17:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc01d5656e1e8d8f71abe2be2b26df085f91d241b1dc2f533055b23da5efbb1608e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:25 - 12:17:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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這點答案到底是行不行 對不對你剛才面對我 我執行你 你就說不行 這個不行 那個不行通通不行 理工程一來 通通行我對陳正兒主席講 我對你是很尊重的怎麼會不同的委員 答案不一樣 南院北側 到底行不行對不對 然後通通可以 通通可以 |
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一般樂園講話我是尊重的我是不插嘴的但是因為你對李昆承的答案跟我的答案一模一樣的問題答案完全不一樣李昆承就完全可以賴思寶的就完全不可以到底是怎麼樣你是中華民國主席長啊你不是民進黨主席長啊好不好請主席啊 這個OK 那主席長要回答但是你知道在我講完之後亞城之前的聲音 |
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沒有 我沒有指證你言論啦 我是指證他 我是指證他我不跟你們 我尊重你講話好不好 我尊重你講話 對不對我當主席到現在 第一個 第一次插嘴這個是他的問題跟你們沒有關係 跟你們沒有關係你不要 你不要對他入錯 跟你們沒有關係 OK |
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因為他對你的答案跟我你去吊論袋因為問的問題完全一樣問的問題完全一樣結果他給了答案說不可以給你答案就可以好不好我們繼續執行啦繼續執行來來來請謝謝謝謝主席謝謝主席有請主席長好主委來請委員好 |
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主委長我國的整體經濟發展國人的努力是有目共睹的但是最近主計處 |
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把今年的經濟成長由原本預測的3.29%下修至3.14%然後說預算遭三減是重要的原因之一你還放話說如果日後追加預算不如預期還會再調降我在這邊要鄭重的跟主席總署說不要恐嚇人民無端的製造恐慌各大智庫最近都上修了我國的經濟成長 |
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你們自己公布的資料也顯示今年的經濟活力要比原本預測來得好民間消費 民間投資 出口等成長率全數上修那出口預測甚至比原預測多出了58億美金我們都有明白一個道理內需外貿成長都調升那經濟成長應該要上修哪裡會調降主席總署本次發布的經濟預測媒體的報導都落在 |
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三預算削弱成長動能總預算遭三減經濟難保三總預算遭三主計總署下修今年經濟成長沒有人可以認同主委長 難道你要放任一個本應具有公信力的統計機關這樣子造謠恐嚇民眾嗎 |
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那我再問就是說你們這一次將經濟成長從3.29%下修到3.14%理由之一是總預算遭三減那未來總預算的追加不如預測還會再調降我想要請你告訴我你們自己公布的數據上顯示民間消費還有這個 |
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民間投資出口上修民間投資出口等都比預測值也比原來多58億美金那民間投資方面國內外資庫也都上修了台灣的投資成長預測既然內需外貿都向上調整那請問經濟成長率為什麼不是向上而是向下主委長你說一下 |
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是 報告委員因為我們去年經濟成長的數字它已經墊高了所以你相對比較起來今年的數值就會下降那這是主要的因素啦對嘛那當然預算影響是一點點對嘛 墊高的時候我才說像人家央行它上個禮拜的這個理監事會議它公佈的下修2025的經濟成長率為3.05它的理由是有點有據啊它有實際的說明說去年成長率優於預期嘛 |
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所以這個就是說他整個電高了機器電高了所以才會這樣子下去你把理由說成是總預算稍三減啦所以政府台灣的經濟發展是要靠政府來帶動政府的支出來帶動嗎是這樣子嗎所以我才說人家央行有直接把這些理由都說明清楚但是主席講 |
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我們這邊沒有嘛 對不對你甚至於說用這種方法來製造恐慌總預算遭刪除但是我們被刪除的總預算仍然是史上最高的規模啊大家都知道啊 對不對2.9兆之外再加上超徵的5200多億 |
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這個預算規模是有史以來最高的嘛但是你們對外發布的媒體的標題全部都是三減預算削弱成長動能總預算遭三減經濟難保三這些話都是你們放出來的啊不是嗎 主席長 |
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跟委員說明一下因為這個部分重點是說因為去年的經濟成長表現很良好所以整個基數墊高這是最主要的因素但是你不能把它整個都講到旁邊去對不對你預算三減有沒有影響我說也有影響也有影響嘛但是影響的數值不是那麼的大是比較小的是這樣但是這樣子的話我大概把它還原原來的一個這個 |
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這個說明的一個方向這樣子所以我們要據實告訴我們的民眾不是用這樣子的就一個放話的方式然後用影射的方式把整個理由都把它說成是總預算照刪減那我們現在是有史以來最高規模的總預算政府為什麼沒辦法做事情當初我們賴總統在當行政院長的時候總預算也才不到兩兆啊 |
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現在接近三兆 |
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為什麼說政府沒有辦法運作好那這個部分我也說明因為我們增加2,806億這個部分的主要是增加在公共建設增加在那個補助健保這些等等那我們刪減是集中在某一些機關的特定業務項目譬如說他的業務費或者是說某一些機關他被刪減到零那等於說他完全沒有機會可以執行所以這個部分才會有執行的困難 |
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我們這個主義處把它寫成這些原因經濟成長下修的這些預測然後把它理由推到總預算遭刪減所以你們的意思就是說經濟成長是靠政府花錢來撐不要把人民當笨蛋好不好不要把人民當笨蛋不要忽略國人對我國經濟的努力還有付出好不好主委長你請回主席有請財政部 |
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財政部 阮政次 阮市長請市長因為台灣經濟表現超乎預期那稅收超增所以要還稅於民 普發現金讓全民共享經濟成果減輕民眾負擔 穩定民生物價這是112年 |
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補發現金六千元的時候當時的行政院長蘇貞昌說的補發現金的理由那我要請教市長因為部長沒有來嘛那一樣的我要請教市長說我們要不要把這些經濟成果來分享給我們的民眾能不能全民共享要不要補發 |
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我跟委員報告就是說今年的狀況跟111年的狀況是不太一樣那就是就113年的預算來講那麼時增數超過預算數是3700多億嘛那我們事實上我們也用來這個減少舉債跟先還債那今年也是一樣嗎 那時增數超過5283億啊 |
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對 但是那時候的金額比較大而且那時候是有疫情的問題那這一次為什麼112年的時候可以全民分享這樣的經濟成果但是到了現在因為物價房租萬物起漲的情況之下民眾的負擔越來越大但是財政部的態度卻是物是人非 金非喜彼為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
538.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
553.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我跟委員報告我們現在的財政狀況雖然是我們的稅收雖然是時增數超過預算數但是這不表示我們財政是有剩餘我跟委員報告從101年到去到112年為止只有3年 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
558.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
572.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
有財政的剩餘一點點的剩餘其他全部都是赤字所以如果是照目前提到的這些修法案達到一定的門檻以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
573.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
600.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
就一定要發的話我這邊資料103年到112年稅客收入10增進而達到總預算編列9次其中達成率110%以上的有4個年度將這筆超增稅收普發給全體國民有助於緩解民生的負擔那去年超增的部分5283 5千多億扣除還本之後還有剩餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
601.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
612.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
對不對那還有剩餘的話為什麼112年可以共享這種經濟成果為什麼今年就不行那行政院行政院主任長也表示要將普發現金列入討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
613.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
630.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
要略無討論喔 所以財政部難道要跟他唱反調嗎因為其實我們 我剛才講就是說就111年度那一年的財政的剩餘達到3500多億那在113年的財政剩餘大概不到他的一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
632.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
649.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以在另外一個就是說114年那時候有疫情的問題所以那時候是因為那時候經濟表現不錯所以在財政也可以所以那時候才會有普發現金再加上其他的一些振興的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
651.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
675.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
政府的財源來自於人民當人民生活困難而我們經濟成長又帶來了這個超額的稅收理當讓人民共享這樣的經濟成果不該僅用說這個我們未來預備未來的未知之初用這個理由來 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
677.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
698.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
把它掩蓋掉那普發現金這也是多數人而且政府現在我們行政院院長也將列入討論所以我想請教財政部支不支持我們財政部是這樣我們負責這個稅入的籌措至於說有關的稅出這一部分比如說剛才講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
699.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
721.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我們就是列入稅計剩餘那一部分要什麼運用稅收是來自全民的貢獻所以應該要優先考量全民的利益做普發現金讓經濟成長真正匯集到每一位國民有關稅計剩餘那一部分我們是覺得說要有主管機關那麼依照施政的優先順序來做考量好 謝謝有問的資訊 |