| IVOD_ID |
159564 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159564 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T11:43:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T11:54:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc047ccb15e8ef953aabe2be2b26df085f9e5f5281f5900dffb18318873d924b4585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:53 - 11:54:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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陳主席長委員好主席長剛才新聞在我們質詢前你在回答前幾位委員的時候你等於就新聞做的解釋就是說大概就是確定要普發現金一萬元所以我不懂我們後續還要質詢你什麼我覺得那樣子的報導如果 |
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曲解了你的意思我認為你應該適度的澄清剛才幾家主流媒體都已經這樣報導我希望你如果啦我簡單講如果都要發現金那主席黨我現在就可以告訴你那乾脆三兆一千億就普發給兩千三百萬人民政府解散算了嘛不是嗎解散算了啊 |
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那不是全民皆大歡喜 可以這樣子嗎我跟你講 我認為啦推行有效益的政策才是還稅於民不是這樣嗎所以我今天跟你要求的第一點 |
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我要求你主祭處 你要有擔當 不要再講一些不痛不癢的話不要認為說 啊 發發現金 好啦 這個也無傷大雅錯了 要發現金可以 |
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那要特別條例而不是設在預算法去把整個預算法是把我們所有收入預算常態化耶你看過去 |
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蔡英文總統的時候發了幾次人家是因為有疫情疫後有特別條例也經過全民多數的民眾的民意不是這樣嗎那如果今天我們是要修預算法增加這個條例基本上常態化就是不對了嘛這一點你一定要堅持啊 |
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是所以我希望你有擔當擔起來而且最短時間內做出決策不要讓在這個事情讓大家政府也好民間也好心裡有疙瘩啊大家為了這個事情爭論不休忐忑不安我認為不要這個樣子第二點我要告訴你的就是說倒是倒是我們要來 |
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這個推動有益的政策啦我認為應該編列特別條例特別預算來針對貼補台電貼補勞健保的缺口貼補長照基金這才是有意義的啊不是這樣嗎我舉勞保就好勞保預估2070年 |
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我們的基金總數將是餘額將是負的71.4兆那將就我們國家EDB的三倍天啊天啊 |
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所以這個貼補勞保健保這才是應當貼補台電這一次給他們台電一千億這樣免於電價漲價如果政府吸收一千億給台電那就是一千億如果政府不貼補不吸收放給民間去漲的話那就不會是一千億那會變成兩千億三千億的社會負擔所以這個 |
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非常要緊不是嗎 還有我們長照基金啊 |
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長照基金 哇 也是一個非常大的缺口啦我相信你已經知道嘛長照基金去年的基金來源 欸 入不敷出啊去年基金來源776億結果實際支出高達828億今年你們預估基金來源752億但是用途支出更高達879億不是這樣嗎 |
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所以如果照這個預算的話那2028年長照基金就完全用完不是嗎所以我認為這些有意義的政策才是真的環碎於民這也是我們設政府的目的是不是那你的看法呢第一點我真的你剛才 |
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其實我們原則上我們都是不支持他發放現金常態化依照發放現金他有特殊的目的所以以往都是定 |
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特別條例然後之後通過之後才編列預算所以這個部分如果常態化的話他整個影響整個預算的一個執行的彈性所以我們原則上我們是不支持的對那所以你公正囉所謂的九月可能發放現金你的看法呢 |
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你要講得更明確一點啊我知道當然不支持啊常態化就我剛剛講嘛常態化無法保持政府對預算運用的彈性嘛我們會碰到很多社會經濟情勢的變化碰到重大的災情啊等等啊不是嗎疫情啊所以當然不要常態化這是一定的 |
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是但是你要針對我說你今天上午剛才被報導的這個啦九月講得很明九月就要發放現金你的看法呢 |
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不是 因為我們是說整個一個政策一個優先順序的排列必須由各部會來跟院長報告由院長來做裁示我們當時的部分是說這整個的一個政策是不是要列入政策還是那發放現金一萬元也是你們要跟院長報告的所謂政策之一囉你們決定的因為發放現金不是我們在負責主導但是他現在要修改一個預算法我們是認為我跟你講喔 |
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那個主技術還有幾項其實我就舉你們很多預估其實錯誤你們預估去年的GDP最早在前年底的時候你們最早預估的時候說3.35% |
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結果幾次修正以後有提高去年GDP多少4.59%跟你原始的預估差了一點多那我為什麼提這件事情那個主計處我為什麼提這個事情你說三減預算導致政府支出減少導致我們GDP可能下降但是那個差0點多而已所以我是要告訴你第一點我們政府現在財政部 |
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我先前質詢之後人家財政部已經積極去推動乙類公債要把我們在海外的授權資金引進回台灣加速台灣的公共建設第二點金管會也通過了不動產證券化REACH |
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歷史這個已經條例也通過要這麼做 也是引進民間資金當有這兩大民間資金的來源進駐到 溢出到我們國內建設的時候我相信我們的GDP會更樂觀那更樂觀的結果 那我們就不必發現金不是嗎那是因為疫情導致GDP下降 |
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所以政府才發放現金嘛所以你講的這個預算去影響到GDP導致政府支出去下滑影響GDP第一個我認為那個維吾其第二個你的下滑運送的需要需要發現金了嘛不是嗎所以我希望主技術 |
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你不必做任何遮掩你不必為任何已經既定的方向不必你就據實以告好不好因為我看你的個性你也是一個很坦然的人啊我看你先前的做事也是這樣嘛 |
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我們就正大光明坦坦然然的面對事實證據還有數據我希望這個數據不要再那麼離譜可不可以你去看一下你前年底你就講3.35你歷來一直修正結果最後4.59差了1.24 |
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這個不可謂不大那我希望在這個部分你收回今天早上如果這些媒體的報導是曲解的話我希望待會收回之後你就跟這些媒體溝通希望他們收回這樣子的報導因為事實上 |
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沒有這樣子的一回事說確定啦就是要發放啦就是已經作業中啦然後9月要發放這是給我們社會不必要的莫名其妙的額外的一種 |
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期待不必要這麼做好不好主計處的任務就是實話實說那精準的數據掌握跟分析然後忠實的向社會大眾報告然後做出應有的政府決策可不可以好不好主計長送你四個字啦認作 |
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613.295 |
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614.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
李昆成議員 |