| IVOD_ID |
159562 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159562 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T11:18:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T11:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc02b21b19a7d903c1d8313c4daf57d80ade5f5281f5900dffbe4facc25fc06bfb85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:44 - 11:31:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、行政院消費者保護處處長、財政部就「租賃住宅市場透明化之現況及展望」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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時間先暫停,還沒開始來第一個時間暫停一下還沒開始 |
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那個我宣告一下因為我們統計處處長行動比較不方便一點我們就允許他坐著用麥克風來回答好不好跟委員會報告一下那準備好了嗎今天27萬替代役的那個備役人員啊接到你們一顆震撼彈你們修了這個替代役備役的擴大的這個造級 |
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我看啊把這個連線次數日數全部都放寬了最重要是後面這個不限退役八年內這個拿掉了還刪掉 |
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全年60天的限制這樣就變成一個空白授權了你這位內政部長的前線你總統還大這大概是差不多跟皇帝一樣大了報告張委員這個是行政院在111年的時候通過的行政院在111年通過內政部只是按照行政院的會議通過做一下我們的實施辦法的修正 |
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行政院在111年也就是三年前通過的我們只是按照這個預防執法在做我們的公告而已部長你現在將心比心你想現在談的是27億的 倍億的 |
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替代役喔 如果家裡面有四個人 這個就是牽扯到一百萬人喔柯定來來辛苦辛苦你看這個修正 本來是退役八年內嘛對不對這個你明確把他拿掉了嘛 對不對 |
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所以是全部退役的隨時可能會被找跌這是跌跌對不對 這個明確嗎沒有啊 它是36歲以前36歲以前36嘛喔 那這個跌跌 好 OK那你把8年這個拿掉這是第一個嘛 對不對沒有 就是36歲以前 原來就是這樣規定的 |
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本來限定是退役八年內嘛新的規定才說是八年內原來是沒有這個八年內的限制原來的話就是說36歲以內的話都可以召集那現在是以退役之後八年內所以是剛好相反事實上是緊縮的那刪掉前年60天這個限制是有的 |
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不是 是它原來的規定是30天必要時候得增加然後變成60天那現在的話是30天但是那個只能夠到60天的這個次數的話是上限是沒有是按照實際的狀況而且最重要的是它是指在勤務召集我們的備役有兩種召集一種是演訓召集 |
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像是國防部的什麼點閱召集、教育召集這種召集那這個是勤務召集,勤務召集是碰到了事變或者是暫時是有的關鍵就是現在是本來是60天是一個限制嘛對不對現在是刪掉 |
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比60天多嗎原來是30天必要時到60天那現在是30天但是按照而且只限於勤務召集也就是說隨時必要的時候可以再增加嘛對不對那是發生事變的時候的勤務召集所以就是把這個界限拿掉了嘛60天已經很多了啊一年才360天你把60天拿掉 |
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我們的召集分成兩種一種叫演訓召集五天內一年一次情務召集的話就是在事變或者是暫時的時候才會實施的你現在就是因為你認定你必要嘛所以我今天執行的重點是什麼你要把那個必要不要有灰色地帶我剛才一開始就講我們現在你如果是一個替代役你包括他的家人現在就會想啊 |
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我本來規定清清楚楚的啊那你規定完之後你把連線也放寬了次數也放寬了日數也放寬了特別是我剛講你這60天有可能我就有受到影響啦第一我不用問啊一年360才65天你把60天都已經放寬了第二個我平常也要工作啊我有生活啊對不對 |
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我退役以後,你隨時把我找來,你要不要付我薪水?這是不是就是一個影響?是不是這樣?OK,所以我要求,我今天的質詢非常的明確第一個,你的必要,你要把人家找來,你這個不要有灰色地帶,把它訂得非常的明確好不好?是是是這是一個那第二個,你不要雙標啊,你看一般兵是一年最多幾天?點招最多幾天? |
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那是國防部他按照 國防部他有教育召集 點閱召集 訓練召集他有五種召集 我們只有兩種召集所有的召集裡面最多有14天啊 你這邊60 你60還往上走必要的時候還往上走 你能不能把它 應該是減少吧 |
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可不可以您提到的我要再強調一下這個是在緊急跟非常事變跟暫時的時候才會有這種30天或者是60天的這種平常的話在叫做演訓召集相當於後備軍人的教育召集點約召集等等它是在五天之內而且一年只有一次的時間對啊 給你解釋那麼清楚你為什麼這麼模糊 |
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還把連線把次數、倍次數都要拿掉你要把這些東西維持才對啊這樣才會平等嘛是不是是不是這樣我的要求很明確對不對而且合理吧對的話讓我們的替代役可以安心好不好你不要隨時他要被你調來生活會受影響工作會受影響好來你先請問我請保定另外一個問題那部長這幾天你們今天要說租屋啦保定租屋的這個補貼啊你看一下我們的這個提案 |
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前陣子怎麼會出現什麼租屋補貼被刪了不過 博定你有看過嗎這個提案啊 第一行這個提案是為了要討論你國土計劃法延後六年要你提一個報告案可是刪減案一開始 刪減的時候就講了中間就開始講了 第一行第一行 博定你有看過嗎第七款第三項的項目怎麼樣你有看過排除這兩支嗎 |
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所以這筆錢 刪減的根本一開始就已經排除租屋補貼啊怎麼會有人造謠言說什麼租屋補貼受影響動節什麼時候要解凍我們不知道我是不是詳細請我們署長來回應一下這是署長要處理的我剛剛剛才看你第一行 最後一行你看一下三個月內要跟立法院的內政委員會提出專案報告 |
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現在立法院跟內政委員會提出專案報告是三個月內但是我們到目前為止在處理的部分是行政院附議的在立法院並沒有通過所以凍結了還是凍結啊凍結了還是繼續凍結啊凍結了還是繼續凍結啊 |
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這個提案就是要你三個月內來報告啊你現在都不爭取這三個月現在三個月內這樣兩個是兩個是 我有提案第一個清清楚楚提案裡面是排除所以沒有刪減到一毛錢的租屋補貸這件事那你一定要要來凍結凍結還是一樣那你叫你三個月來內政委員會做報告目前為止都沒有解凍啊你為什麼提案三個月 |
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如果我們沒有按照立法院的程序委員會去排任何解凍案的話那是我們內政部沒有辦法跟我們內政委員會做比較好的溝通但是重點在於立法院立法院的院會有沒有要求針對114年的所有煽動預算開始處理解凍或者是處理其他的解除的部分我們都沒有收到這方面的資訊所以按照目前 |
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的狀況就是仍然在凍結的狀態那仍然在凍結的狀態對我們內政部影響最大的就是租金補貼的部分租金補貼第一個我剛剛講了已經這個是排除債務一毛錢都沒刪那你一定要硬咬說是凍結你包括凍結的錢算除掉之後也足夠你付一年這個沒有問題那現在更重要的你應該主動去爭取啊 |
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你為什麼要等你剛剛的議事什麼還沒開始這兩天的提案這個就是立法院的結議文這是委員會過了以後到了議員會又過了要你三個議院內提一個報告出來 |
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那你為什麼不提 你沒提 你在甩鍋叫那請問一下 所謂的三個月內是從日曆年的三個月還是立法院通過114年的行政院的預算的三個月如果是這樣的話 上個禮拜行政院在總統簽署的部分的話就是公告114年行政院的預算 對不對 |
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那我們是按照這樣的程序 所以我還是一再非常的清楚我們邏輯上 法律上 行政規範上我們全部按照立法院在解除 或是在處理預算的程序上來走這是我們完全尊重的否定你已經在那裡顧著立法委員 你這位格擁企業副指定 |
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跟這位行政院的秘書長你當然知道以前的網歷就是所謂三個月就是從年度就開始算啊因為以前的網路也沒有鋪一這件事也沒有到總統最後公告這回事那你盡快提出來啊那現在凍結的錢也足夠你去付這個 |
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房屋津貼趕快做啦好不好現在人民是要你們解決問題第一個不要造謠因為這裡面清楚的解釋它已經被排除這是第一個被排除所以立法院沒有刪租補貼證的一毛錢老實講凍結的錢你把它算進去你還是足夠今年一整年都可以用的好第三個第三個你如果要趕快你要趕快提出來一個解凍案很快就可以通過 |
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解凍案你以前當那麼久的立委有沒有你舉個例子給我聽有沒有哪一個凍結案到後來沒有過的有沒有有一個嗎有啊哪一個我可以會後提供給你參考還相當多一個給我就好了除了我印象中除了賴清德當幹事長那一年公司的預算被凍結他到隔年解凍沒有啦 |
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立法委為什麼要你要凍結要嘛就把你砍掉來凍結凍結就希望你提出把解決方案嘛像這個凍結案本來要做什麼事情你有沒有看過這些提案因為你的國土計劃法那時候沒有好好去溝通叫你溝通完提案出來如果委員你只要刪掉300萬的國土計劃法我沒意見但是你們民眾黨黨團所提的捅山跟捅洞就動到我們的租金補貼的200億 |
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國土計畫你們也提了延期了所以事實上呢我們當然可以在這個地方跟委員好好來做報告這是我們的全責但是呢也請委員了解一下統棟跟統山是在立法院的表決通過的它的法定的這個效率比我們在內政委員會通過的任何解棟跟這個刪除的部分還要來得強謝謝委員的指教裡面怎麼會有你房屋這個房屋金補貼呢你房屋補貼的錢清清楚楚列在這裡啊 |
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你什麼嗲嗲倒菜的好啦 最重要的啦第一個不只不要造謠 趕快提出解凍案 趕快通稿好 謝謝 文字都會說話 提案白紙黑字清清楚楚好 謝謝張其開委員 |