| IVOD_ID |
159543 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159543 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T10:24:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T10:36:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc09af2bba3a0b2df38be2be2b26df085f97b033ce60c83815f420fad759d9e24575ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:42 - 10:36:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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鍾嘉斌委員 資訊 請好 主席 在場的委員先進列席的正午機關首長官員 會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生有請主計是陳主計長陳主計長 請主計總處 對不起 主計總處 陳主計長 |
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抱歉喔 因為今天沒有請到審計部的主席長主席長好我先跟您請教一下我這個講的是預算依法撥補台電離島虧損競爭市場人才要調整新的結果來 我們看第一張總預算公佈了明年的總預算開始收編了嗎 |
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已經在進行了進行投編了嘛就是3月到4月之間嘛是不是我們中程計畫已經目前在進行我們很快的看下去好那麼有關於媒體報導在3月9號本來去年度補貼邊在今年的預算要補貼台電的被刪了嘛是不是總預算被刪了嘛總預算前幾天總統也公佈了嘛 |
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那結果台電不得不 電價審議委員會現在調漲電價但是呢 又有一個新聞說3月台電打算追討110億的離島補貼這是什麼東西我們過去的離島用電虧損是不是都台電吸收是 那都是由中央目的事業主管機關裡面來撥補是的 就是離島建設條第4條這是不是法定支出撥補離島供電的營運虧損是法定支出 |
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它不是屬於基金應該的支出也不是法定支出那這個條例14條什麼意思是不是強制你要編列預算有沒有 有沒有強制力 |
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是而且去年的經濟委員會決議喔建請離島基金研議撥補財政的可行性喔法律也這樣寫了立法院審議預算也這樣說了請問主席總署在籌編明年度預算的時候有沒有想過要怎麼樣依法律的規定編列預算撥補 |
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這個部分因為等於是說它還是有虧損啦虧損的部分是台電在吸收啦那這個部分如果說你沒有彌補它的話那它將來就是要要回歸到這我都知道但是我問的是您是主計總處啊是編列預算撥補這六個字編列預算撥補這六個字有沒有人要做誰要做誰該做 |
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事實上一般如果不是的話就要由地方政府來吸收我沒有說不是什麼地方政府我就講的就是離島的這個寫在法律嘛離島建設基金14條嘛建設條例14條嘛 |
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目的事業主管機關要審核嘛然後呢政府要怎樣要編列預算撥補那編列預算是不是妳的全責之一是嘛所以就提醒妳開始要籌編了不管是經濟部編編在離島建設基金還是行政院主計總署要有想法了嘛是不是這樣是好所以說主計總署支持用基金來還是另編撥補台電 |
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因為它不是基金所能夠負擔的一個項目基金現在剩不到10億啊 它要1100億啊對 所以也不符合基金的用途啦所以這個部分我們一般原則上應該都是要透過總預算來做好 那很清楚了嘛要透過總預算如果必要的時候有沒有可能是用最佳減預算還是特別預算你們去評估好不好好 我們現在看 |
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來,現在呢,我們都很被問到啊台灣現在跟美國一步一致,一致!因為都把中國視為最大的對抗對象美國視中國不是對手啊,是對抗的對手不是競爭的對手台灣視中國為境外敵對勢力所以呢,美國川普喊話北約要增加他的軍費到GDP百分之五那明年我們國防制度的GDP佔比會不會提高?過去大概2.45會提高嗎? |
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我們原則上是希望要把它提高很好來提高在哪個部分一般來講我們的軍會兩個部分一個是武器採購一個是人員維持往下看所以目前我們看到了國軍缺員嚴重邊線比不足從88掉到了78而且也宣布了4月1號開始總統宣布了軍人海巡有加薪大概調整後可能可以增加到13000到15000而且這裡面我看到的是 |
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自願意的加擠調整之後呢基層的增加幅度多於中階的軍官多於將官你認為這樣合理嗎 |
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還是不評論?因為這個部分是屬於國防部的一個權責但是妳不反對嗎?因為現在目前總統已經有宣布加薪所以我只針對這個加薪的部分好,妳要去籌措預算嗎?好,那這樣會不會增加我們GDP的占比?會嗎?也會好,但是我認為是不夠的往下看其實我們來看一下國軍是需要專業人才的 |
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站航管加擠 電針加擠 網路站加擠請問你認為這些專業人才如果是在民間企業的行情因為你們這個主席總書負責統計啊你們有沒有統計過這三類的專業人才在民間的行情怎麼樣多少錢要不要月薪十萬 |
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你們要去統計一下 了解一下我認為都超過了但是我們看一看現在這些人才我們看下一頁治安人才警戒也在搶啊結果呢警方的治安人才被搶走了啊兩百萬的年薪你認為目前我們公共人員的制度雖然你不是人種有可能年薪兩百萬嗎 |
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很難嘛 那怎麼辦 怎麼求財 怎麼留財我們來看一下美軍怎麼做美軍是什麼 它是用PR89 PR90什麼意思 現在就業市場上最高的那10%就是我的薪資水準你覺得我們公務人員的待遇可以這樣定嗎 |
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不是定 我們過去過程是這樣子都是跟內部來比低階的人 初階的人要比中階的低中階的比高階的低新進人員一定比資深人員來的薪水低是不是這樣 美軍不跟你吃這一套啦 |
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他是現在就業市場如果這個人現在市場行情是十萬我就用十萬挖管他是不是之前剛新進就算他進來之後他的關節比別人低他的資金比別人低前面的人可能是七萬元他要挖他進來是十萬元你覺得公務部門國軍這些必要的部門有沒有可能用這種方式 |
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因為這個部分是人種他根據整個一個制度所以你土地的種族不會反對這種結構的調整吧我們原則上是尊重他整個的一個結構看他要怎麼去做調整是的 我問過人種所以人種這個結構在調整但是調整之後 |
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他的總金額會提高所以這是主計總數要準備好的我舉一個例來講啦現在如果一個大學新進的新生是PR90你覺得校長說不行啊怎麼今年的新生PR90以前現在四年級大四的當年進來的時候還PR80會不會這樣想不會嘛 |
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大學在招攬人才的時候認為我現在的薪生進來是PR越來越高比他早年的高這才是我們政府求財留財的方法往下看所以我們短期續薪它是以薪續職這個讓你參考這個問問人事總書再往下看所以接下來看到同樣的是要求財要留財我們也問過了財政部次長在這裡那天我問過了部長金控前十四大只有三家是所謂的犯公股 |
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那如果是台土輸,台灣銀行、土地銀行跟輸出銀行是輸輸輸啊請問財政部提出的方案要提高待遇來爭取留財、徵財,你們支不支持?這個部分已經送到院裡頭裡面在討論了,這個部分那你們支持嗎?你們去籌措經費 |
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是人總也在研議中我問過人總了沒有研議他已經支持了我當面問過人總所以今天我一個一個問當了財政部的面前我問主席長知不支持行政院如果要做這個你知不支持人黨支持囉你可以判因為這要看行政院的裁定啦坦白說對這是行政院的裁定但是主席長不反對嘛來我問一下來沈記長總是要請到你沈記長您知不支持您反不反對 |
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主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
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明年度的預算籌編怎麼樣撥補台點的離島虧損怎麼樣納入預算籌編可以嗎可以什麼時候可以讓我們委員會或本席知道因為我們原則上進入預算的籌編大部分都是四月底嘛四月大概四到六月我們就開始進行籌編四月底前讓本席或本委員會知道可以嗎 |
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4月底是有點太早,因為大概差不多6月底左右6月底都編好了6月底要定案6月就會明朗了但是台電的電價審議委員會4月底就會定案了這樣我們是不是要忍受我們希望說台電如果這個預算能夠撥補我們電價或許漲幅不會那麼嚴重 |
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所以可不可以你們可以提早釋出讓台電心裡有個底他這一億一千億有可能會落袋他才在電疫審議的時候能納入考量可以嗎你不讓我知道要讓台電知道啊我們一直都是支持台電要因為他這是補充你是支持啊但是你要變成你的法定職權來展示啊 |
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他不能堪忍你口頭的支持來審議電價我都知道現在我的意思說電價審議不能只是看今天的影片你的口頭支持他必須看到行政院有依法定去進行預算的籌編可不可以好還有兩個主席站起來另外希望你們會同國防部跟人總這當然你們是比較輔助的角色對於我們如果調整薪資結構 |
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仿照美軍的PR-90的概念打破過去傳統資深優於資淺高階優於低階其實在我們這次國軍的待遇的調升已經看到了將官調得少衛官基層軍官調得多這就是一個好的方向去研議調整這樣的結構配合他們去做可以嗎我們尊重人種制度的一個調整還有國防部還有你也支持我們國營金融機構的員工待遇改善方案是不是 |
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原則是 好 謝謝我提案提了好幾個月因為當年這個限制是國民黨立委限制的學長我們都支持啊 亂講一堆文字 |