| IVOD_ID |
159539 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159539 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T09:49:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T09:59:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc04b459f17642b1661be2be2b26df085f97b033ce60c83815f07257f5fd76a241a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:14 - 09:59:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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兩位好委員好我在這個地方有十幾年的經驗所以我對於普發現金或是類似現金的消費券 |
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大概有遇到過幾次第一次是馬政府時代第二次是蔡政府時代蔡政府時代是三倍券五倍券再加上六千塊現金這一些都有一個共同的特徵它都是行政院認為應該要這樣做所以他提了一個特別條例到立法院來審議 |
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立法院通過之後再根據這個特別條例來編預算然後再來實施也就是說立法院依照憲法是審查預算不能做預算的提案如果你把預算的提案放在法律的硬性規定那行政權存在的 |
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兩大支柱一個預算一個人事就被你立法機關拿走了所以在這個地方我覺得既然是我們像我在立法院這一屆進來宣誓的時候我們事實上面是要克尊憲法但是現在好像把憲法都當作不那麼一回事反正要達到政治目的比較重要所以我覺得正常的程序應該是這樣才對吧 |
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那如果現在讓他不要 我給你定在法律裡面立法院高薪給你怎麼用 就要給你怎麼用沒有經過詳細的評估在馬政府的時代 那個時候經濟遇到重挫經濟成長率非常低 甚至只有零點幾 |
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這政府實在是遇到疫情疫情之後又國際地緣衝突所以使得國際之間的物價非常的不穩定那經濟的成長當時預估可能會有困難所以才會有這一些舉動今年如果照去年的這個預算的實收數高於預算數中央政府的部分中央部分大概是3700多億吧那3700多億 |
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可是去年的預算裡面光是要舉借的金額是多少?1571億那一部分後來是不是就沒有舉借,有錢的就不用舉借了啊對,不僅沒有舉借而且多還了1500多億這兩個加起來就3000多億那你3700億填補這個窟窿 |
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沒有借在線上多還的就剩下幾百億而已啊所以如果你因為預算上面的時收數高於預算數三千億你就要來編特你就規定說要來發現金的話那這不是變成政府必須要舉借來發現金嗎的確會有這個問題以前我們的賴昭偉我最佩服的是他非常堅持財政紀律啦 |
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哪有人除非情況非不得已不然的話一個政府怎麼會去借錢要來發現金給國民呢而且這個發現金給國民 |
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這個預算的理想是要調劑營需要縮短財富差距的倍數所以如果要照顧民眾的話要照顧中低收入戶最優先照顧弱勢最優先照顧需要照顧人最優先你一普發會有一個狀況 |
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非常有錢的人張忠謀是我們的國民他這麼有錢他需要你這一萬塊嗎那立法委員的薪水一個月都二十幾萬當然我們支出也很多但是有需要這一萬塊嗎就變成說本來預算的另外一個目的希望能夠調劑營需對中央地方還有對國民之間的財富差距的縮小 |
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變成這個普發也沒有辦法達到這個功效是不是有這樣的狀況啊市長你回答一下嘛市長所以我一直認為說這裡面大有問題啊為什麼要這樣做呢這是我私人個人的猜測啦因為 |
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政府要撥補台電的一千億砍掉啦預算碼要刪掉不給他過啊所以四月電價眼看就要漲價啦國人都知道漲價是因為政府錢準備要撥補台電你不給他撥補嘛 |
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所以電價會漲怕人家罵現在趕快推出說我要發現金所以就有人說過嘛你何必這樣子呢你那一千億政府準備的錢你給台電台電不用漲這個民生電價那你就不用擔心還不用後面要來發錢來補是一萬塊錢比較重要呢還是電價漲的時候因為電價漲價所引動的生產成本各式各樣的成本漲價或低調 |
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所以說為了要達到政治的目的做政治的攻防去做錯誤的事情繞了一圈然後再拿錯誤的事情要來填補這是我私人的看法而且這樣做違憲因為立法院沒有預算的提案權我們是預算的審議權 |
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你的預算提來立法院 我們審議覺得有不適當的地方 適當的刪減而不是像這樣子啦 六千億 刪減或凍結要六千億國家的總預算才三億 三兆一千萬 三兆一千億 弄了六千億 更何況連監察院96% |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
384.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
413.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
這個行政費 事務費都把我拿掉我那天公祭遇到李鴻鈞啊以前我們在地方 我們是朋友嘛他現在當副院長他跟我抱怨說你們立法院亂搞讓我們台電 電費已經兩個月付不出來我來講 兄弟 蔡華瓊做不喜歡亂搞是要刪除的人給你機關預算然後把你的事務費全部都拿掉你什麼事情都不能做嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
414.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
443.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
連電梯都不能開啊紙也不能用現在立法委員要到如果要去做財產申報以前是電腦打開大家直接對就可以了資料取得很方便現在要到立法院去他沒有要用書面來所以假設每一個立法委員在銀行的戶頭都要去銀行請資料用紙本大家來對本來三分鐘可以處理的事情現在三天處理不完啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
445.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
465.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這次就是現狀 因為亂刪減預算的結果所以現在面臨一個大罷免的風潮結果真正富裕的時候 如果好好大家坐下來商量這件事情那就是一個補考的機會 把它弄回來正常 可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
466.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
485.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
一樣啊 財化法也一樣啊你們就還沒有跟把那個公事弄好地方也沒有弄好 你現在公事就搶錢那也不來講說事務增加多少將惡搞的結果要一團亂所以難怪會有人推測說是故意要讓中華民國癱瘓真的這種話我在民間都聽到了那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
492.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
519.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
大家對立法院有意見 民眾對立法委員有意見不是因為選出來之後馬上翻臉啦是你自己做的事情是不是好好的想一下有哪一些事情做得真的讓人家不滿意那大家坐下來把這個結怎麼好好的解開解開自然就沒罷免了嘛那時候我們自己現在在聊啊如果總預算的刪減是民眾不滿的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
520.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
549.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
那複製的時候好好來談再花點時間把這個總預算處理好適當的刪減 大家給你鼓掌惡意的亂刪 全部這樣子亂砍結果他就不要啊連讓院長來立法院報告都不要啊就用一天 然後就把他表決通過了啊才化法也一樣啊你這個越綁越緊就是硬要火車對撞嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
551.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
575.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以我在這個地方誠懇的呼籲過去這個東西是有制度的我們是有財政紀律的你的預算的處理應該像過去的方法先由行政院考量整個社會的狀況認為有必要的話提一個特別條例來到立法院經立法院對特別條例審查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
576.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
583.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
再根據這個結果來編列預算到本院來審議通過之後再來處理這樣才是正辦 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
585.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
612.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我跟委員報告,我們目前的做法就是說我們如果稅收如果實證數超過預算數的話我們是先還債,那麼減少舉債如果多的,那麼就是移到稅金剩餘那稅金剩餘的運用就要看我們的施政優先順序比如說像民生或者是照顧弱勢或者是國防等等這些由行政部門做通盤的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
612.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
620.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
是啦 這個才是正辦啦加油要堅持啦對的事情要堅持不要被帶到錯的方向去啦謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝吳秉瑞委員來 我們接下來賴仕寶 賴昭緯 |