| IVOD_ID |
159537 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159537 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T09:37:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T09:47:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc0189ff0e5396e78e071db0abd93ed56f17b033ce60c83815fc2d5238c042452c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:01 - 09:47:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員賴士葆等17人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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過去三年電價已經漲了四次了 最近如果再漲就已經是第五次了 |
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如果再漲電價 對民生衝擊很大小吃店啦 一些商家 甚至可能連便當都要大幅漲價了然後對工商業發展衝擊也會很大一些企業啦 對不對 你以前從企業來嘛光是電價一上來 對很多企業影響就很大 真的要再上第五次的電價嗎 |
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報告委員我想如果說我們用比較這個科學理性的方法來討論的話我們必須要知道說電價對它所佔的比率有多少 |
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所以影響的這個變數有多少然後影響的金額有多少我想不至於因為每一個產業不會一樣那我們當然會把這樣的狀況因為我們這一次的電價審議委員裡面也有這個工業總會的代表也有商業總會的代表我想他們會充分的 |
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反映給所有的這個委員就這個委員您所關注的這個命題我想他們會去討論但是經濟部只能夠這按照他審議委員會的這樣的一個結論我們來執行部長最可憐的是人民了一般的民眾 |
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以後整個物價的那個一定是推升了嘛對不對人民就等於是受到很大的一個衝擊以後去買東西就變貴了嘛等於是薪水沒有漲可是呢薪水被這個物價上漲又吃掉被電價吃掉了然後影響到我們的工商業那另外你剛剛提了一個點所以我呼籲菩薩為因啦眾生為果 |
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漲電價這個惡果一直在漲已經漲了40次第五次要再漲這個惡果應該去看那個原因在什麼地方啊你剛講說那經濟部經濟部當然有責任啊電價為什麼會漲就是你的能源政策跟你的能源結構影響了電價嘛 |
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電價審慮委員會要審的時候你如果你每次都是用最便宜的核電不用最貴的這個綠電拼命買又出現一些必要買太貴有這兩個原因那當然就會漲啊 |
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所以經濟部很有責任啊經濟部你要菩薩為因你要去知道那個因對不對你要回過頭去想說現在全世界人家為什麼都要重新用核電最穩定最便宜嘛那你只要做了這個事情就不用漲電價啦而且全世界都在做連美國AIT的處長都跟你講我們可以幫台灣那你不做這個惡果當然人民就會覺得經濟部沒有盡到責任或者賴清德總統沒有盡到責任這是第一個嘛第二個綠電來我們看一下 |
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這個是電價審議委員會的一個成員啦也是我們商總的理事長許書寶開會的時候他應該就要在場啦他說什麼就是我剛剛講要去找那個原因出來嘛對不對你如果原因把它處理好就像生病一樣你如果是因為核電的問題是因為綠電問題你把它處理好那就不用漲電價搞不好還可以降喔你看許書寶怎麼說探究台電的這個成本結構啊許書寶說沒錢看出來啊台電今年大概虧損414億 |
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主要來自於哪裡 加大對綠能的採購 增加了因為綠電的問題 至少都增加了300億的虧損解決綠電的問題啊 綠電我已經提了好幾次啊你買的太貴這是一個原因 你想辦法把價格降下來更重要你現在馬上在做 你現在已經在賣RE30嘛 對不對 |
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30你現在綠電開始賣啊加快速度現在不是漲電價你只要加快賣綠電的這個速度你是5、6塊買的你現在都是用髒電30塊賣出去當然虧損300億、400億就出來了你趕快把綠電如期賣出去讓我們的企業可以買到綠電 |
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這個台電不要虧損就不要漲電價三年啊報告委員我想這個需求跟供應才是正相關我想價格是決定於需求跟供應之間我們當然希望供應這個R1-30但是如果需求沒有那麼大我還是沒有辦法供應給它因為這個電它有需要才會來跟我們購買今天上次不就開口說需要110度的這個地電嗎 |
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現在很多企業都來請你找出那個100億度的客戶給你你找他來給我啊我一定賣給他啊問題是這個100億度的這個是假的命題假命題我們不用討論假命題就是很多企業確實需要綠電嘛 |
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麻煩委員直接告訴我我一定拿去給他 |
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所以你要加速嘛這也是你的責任當然當然你現在目前我統計你的每年買300億度的綠電進來你只賣出去10%當然太少啊你現在要賣就要趕快我的意思就是你應該是加快賣綠電的速度這個金額你只要收入增加沒有時間過了來只要收入增加只要收入增加當然就不要漲這個人民的電費嘛對不對等一下我問一下這是不是很大投資台電是不是要虧另外一個洞出來了看看 |
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我們最近啊 跟美國阿拉斯加天然氣開發公司簽約我看部長你也在場嘛 對不對上面也有你嘛是說要合作啊 不只買他們的天然氣合作要建造一條價值440億美金的出油管道476是多少錢台電要出多少錢 |
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我們還沒有決定 我們是意向書 意向書如果用440億的一半 220億美金就是6600億喔台電 台當然是意向書 可是我現在提醒台電不要挖一個大黑洞 你看台電能用少一點 少一千億 綠電600億你這個基本假設又是不存在的 |
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我們簽意向書不是只有我買他50分的不可能嘛這個是美國的東西他要賣給日本賣給台灣要賣給韓國甚至賣到菲律賓我怎麼可能占50%我現在不是說賣天然氣天然氣的那個天然氣的輸油管道 |
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這一條價值要建造要440億美金我現在在提醒你我的訊息440億是天然氣而不是這個油管所以您的這個資訊是不是要再correct一下這是你們的會長親你們政府的媒體自由時報下來的 |
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那不管是輸油管或是你剛說的這個要去挖天然氣我們要投資4400億的多少錢我現在只是提醒啦投資當然是可以的可是這個金額看起來很嚇人喔如果是像這個440億裡面兩邊要合作對不對你如果要一半的話220億的美金就是六千六百億喔 |
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475.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
503.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我們一年的總預算才三兆欸我們台積電已經去投資了1000億美金你那個假設是過度的啦不可能的事啦所以差不多多少不可能50萬我們現在要我們要投資多少也是人家對方同意啊而且這裡面牽扯到其他的鄰國他們也都需要所以不是說你要50%部長那你意向說跟人家簽了裡面不管是你剛剛在講的挖天然氣或者是這個輸油管 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
503.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
514.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你到底要出多少錢 你都沒有一個沒有一個比較細膩算過沒有財務的算過你就簽了這個報告委員這一個案子是2031年以後才會發生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
516.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
536.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
你簽個意向書你都要簽之前都沒有先做才有表示我們這個是有興趣我們可以支持他這個遊景去開發這個是我們現在的意向嘛至於投資多少錢不是契約這個是意向書所以我跟委員報告就是契約跟意向書是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
537.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
566.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
現在意向書先簽嘛對不對可是兩邊要進一步的談然後要先做參與安顧嘛你剛剛這個你的圖片拍得非常好啊上面寫投資意向書嘛不是寫投資契約書嘛那你都已經簽了意向書上面沒有金額上面沒有金額我跟委員報告就是沒有金額現在就是公佈出來美國在講說光是這個輸油管道就要440億啊那你講的又是另外的錢我現在是在提醒啦導出當然可以不過金額都很大好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
567.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
570.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
不要又挖了一個大洞不要挖了一個大洞你又賠錢這個是貿易條件嘛我們你說我買的話還是大萬價 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
578.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
601.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我們買的是大案價你現在簽了意向書裡面有牽扯到可能要投資多少錢你們這部份應該是有評估沒有啦那沒有的話至少至少比較進一步的時候一定要做財務評估報告委員我們不方便在這裡跟你報告這些鉅細靡遺的事情啦我真的很抱歉這裡面牽扯到什麼整理人道事件出去怎麼當然會你如果要知道你要知道那麼你拒絕我就跟你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
602.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
619.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
好不好來報告啦這個應該是公開的要讓全民知道啦好不好我們希望這個投資是賺錢的不要投資又賠錢發生以後一定會報告如果有進度隨時報告好不好不過要提醒的是不要進去又花了很多錢然後到時候要找人給錢給他一定要慎重好不好投資是要賺錢的要注意好不好好 大家好 來 謝謝 |