| IVOD_ID |
159536 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159536 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T09:37:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T09:49:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc096f0d3af38e3ac29be2be2b26df085f97b033ce60c83815f9a2554e42ef972245ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:39 - 09:49:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等26人、委員林德福等20人、委員賴士葆等20人分別擬具「預算法增訂第八十一條之一條文草案」等3案。
【3月24日及26日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們這個財政部莊部長陳主席長我來請主席長陳主席長請 |
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委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為財政部長說普發現金不宜常態化是政府一直以來的主張那我請問主席長以您的立場還稅移民普發現金常態化法制化是不是根本沒有討論的空間 |
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我們原則上是不支持這樣的一個原則上不支持那我請教基於113年稅收時增數優於預算數但歸屬於中央政府的部分沒有比2022年高 |
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財政部認定普發現金不宜常態化那主席長111年度政府普發現金六千元的條件請問你認為是不是可以作為政府未來普發現金的門檻 |
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怎麼樣委員報告一下當初普發現金它有它特殊的一個目的性而且呢它是因為預估成長率整個一個疫後的一個消費它會消費退回所以我們為了加速振興 |
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才特別你具有特別條例特別條例然後來送貴院來審議經過貴院審議之後呢那我們才去迴遍預算所以這個部分呢所以我們是希望能夠維持經濟成長的一個穩定因為當初那時候的一個經濟成長率才2.1所以我們必須要希望它能夠持續的成長所以才發放現金好我請問你還是你認為稅收時增速 |
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優於預算數政府除了還債以外根本沒有其他考量的空間是這樣嗎事實上我們目前有很多重大建設譬如說重大建設都有編預算嘛你不要拉到那裡去每一年他的先後次序排列的不一樣所以不能把它定在法條裡面那將來執行沒有我請問你 |
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那個財政部說稅收優於預期要先減少取債優先還債那如果能累積到稅劑剩餘財源應用要考量國家的產源發展本席認為啊財政部的立場無可厚非但是退一步來看國家 |
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之於人民好比這個股份有限公司之股東那我請問主席長你認為中華民國是基優股的成長股還是雞蛋水餃股一民看當然是基優股基優股好以國內的財政狀況來看財報是看好還是難看好看還是難看 |
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那為什麼沒有辦法考量像花放鼓勵一樣 還稅於民 普花炫金為什麼因為他不是每一年都一定每一年不是每一年都有反過來因為今天就是定的他是要達到一個門檻那反過來如果難看 |
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前幾年又為何能夠花三倍券六千元的現金呢那是針對特別疫後的一個情況來做一個考量而且當初的一個經濟成長情況也不是很好所以那時候我們就為了加強 |
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或提升經濟的一個成長所有而花放一個現金所以這是有特殊的目的而且每一項的一個政策的施行它優先順序每一年排列的情緒都不一樣而且如果我們把它定了沒有彈性以後將來再執行就會有它是達到一個程度啊不是沒有彈性啊主計長從公司的經營角度來看經營者心中 |
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要很在乎股東的財富那股利則是由內部經營者對未來整個成長與風險的思維來作為判斷所以如果不景氣而賺不到成長的差價對股息的期望會較高那本席認為說整個國家經營也是如此 |
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數十年的整個國家發展到現在近二十多年來貧富差距極端化 |
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那戶人少而集中 中產階級扁平化窮盲族根本看不到能夠好轉的未來那近平各種弱勢族群嗷嗷待哺那請問主席長 人民看到政府稅收超增難道不會有所期待嗎 你看呢 |
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主席長 |
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好比公司賺錢不發鼓勵給股東一樣如果股東經濟條件變好其實公司不發鼓勵本席認為對鼓勵的期待心理也不會太高反過來經濟條件變差人民這幾年持續面對高房價 |
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通盆高物價甚至連便當小吃都快翻倍的漲價那我請問主席長民眾對於還稅移民普發現金的期待難道不也是對政府經營有成投下贊成票的回饋嗎 |
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你的看法呢這個就像一個公司的經營一樣啊跟委員報告回饋人民的一個方式有很多種我可以利用各種政策而且等於是說我有國防的需要我有 |
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那個健保的一個需要或0到6歲各項的一個教育支出的一個需要這些的部分那個都有變預算嘛不是說沒有變預算沒有匡列啊政府不應該把普發現金看成好像一端才對 |
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對不對就像一個公司的經營一樣對不對你公司經營有成當然股東就是希望你發股利配股息吧對不對這個整個國家的運作跟一個公司的經營幾乎就是翻版那個主席長不要有那種思維主席長 |
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因為去年8月中旬公布112年家庭收支的調查結果顯示112年普發現金新台幣6000元的政策挹注下每戶可支配所得差距的倍數縮減為6.12倍你有沒有去瞭解尤其是對低所得 |
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主的影響很大 低所得主喔 主計長本席借用前主計長朱澤民說過的話人民貧窮感確實政府責任較大既然普發現金可以拉近所得差距的倍數更對低所得主有大影響 那我請問主計長基於民眾的觀感是不是可以再考量一下普發現金的可行性 |
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這個部分我免則上還必須要往上去牽扯往上牽 因為你就跟上級講這個就像一個公司的經營一樣不要那麼執著而且我剛剛有特別提到就是有很多低所得主他們的期待 主席長 |
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上個禮拜央行召開第一季的理監事會議雖然主計總處曾說目前整個物價情勢相對平穩央行總裁也說根據以前電價調漲的弧度對CPI的影響對CPI有影響但影響不大那主計長去年底行政院召開 |
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物價穩定小組會議啊敲定關鍵原物料降稅再延一季到3月底那我請問主計長你認為25日討論降稅措施退場的機率大不大大不大因為這個部分會我是沒去參加但是我是覺得是說要降稅應該是不會啦應該不會 |
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要降稅 換句話說就是可能會截止就對了 是不是是 它一般它有降稅的部分會維持但是維持之後它還是要一直檢討檢討現況的一個情形然後再去決定哪些項目因為現在目前是還在討論當中還沒有做決定啦 |
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因為有媒體報導基於國際情勢仍不穩定減稅措施會考量再延一季延到六月底那請問主計長國際情勢是不是考量降稅與火與物價穩定是唯一的因素嗎 |
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因為國際情勢目前一向都還不是很穩定而且還沒有很明朗化所以目前這個部分還是要看整個一個狀況而且它一直隨時都在變所以這個部分我們也會去檢討按照去年底 |
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這個穩定物價小組的決議這個研議政策退場必須整個國際農工原料價格趨緩那整個國內物價持續的趨穩而且未來展望這個維持穩定請問主席長你認為今年有沒有退場的可能性降稅的措施退場會不會 |
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這個重新推升物價會不會好其實因為我們如果有電價有調漲那目前房租還有一些外食是有比較偏高但是其他都很穩定包括有一些國際油料的部分都是在低價裡面來盤選好謝謝謝謝林委員的質詢下一位請吳秉樂委員質詢 |