| IVOD_ID |
159532 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159532 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-24T09:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-24T09:36:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01f072357e67ffc0c15c2abf3fbf547a71db0abd93ed56f17b033ce60c83815f0b16ca848615eb905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:59 - 09:36:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員賴士葆等17人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「電業法第六條條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「電業法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「電業法第七十四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席,我是不是請一下部長跟台電總經理、董事長都有來委員早 |
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部長我想剛剛這個本席的提案說明其實也特別點到了幾個國際的局勢那包含我們一直在談電網的韌性這件事情可是我還是想要讓經濟部再更加的這個給您一點時間 |
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再去說明一下其實在2017年106年我們的修法裡頭是希望把這一些電業依照電業法讓台電去分家分成三家子公司希望能夠維持供電的穩定但是整個國際局勢的變化這幾年下來看起來分家已經不是一個好的選擇 |
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但是我想在過去的這幾年當中台電應該有針對分家這件事情做了一些準備工作嘛對不對所以這個準備工作做完之後我們現在又要再回頭來修法 |
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又要再回到台電只是維持一家母公司的這個狀態底下當然會有許多的委員就會批評說那你這個是不是浪費資源如果是這樣當時為什麼要修法讓他搬家那現在又要再把它改回來又要再變成只有一家公司這個我是不是讓台電來說明一下好不好是 |
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那個報告委員這幾年台電當然針對電源法的相關規定做了一定程度的準備最重要的準備就是台電針對它的業務功能成立了幾個不同的系統比方說發電一個系統核能一個系統輸電配電都各自有系統而這些系統的運營的狀態財務的狀況都有辦法獨立的統計出來去評比它的經營績效 |
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所以你現在是說你們已經有這幾個獨立系統的運作底下你們覺得還是在一個原來的母公司的這個整體的管理之下會是比較好運行的是的跟委員報告首先第一個事情是把一個自然壟斷的產業透過法律的規範拆開這個大家都知道英國當時保守黨的那個嘛 |
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主席就是柴契爾夫人提出來的政策這個影響全世界非常久很多國家也都做到相應的政策但最近連英國自己 |
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都開始反向都把過去把電業拆開要走成整合所以我覺得這個是國際的潮流看到英國的狀況看到法國的狀況也是你們現在決定還是把它合併還是把它維持一個母公司的最主要的原因嗎以台灣的狀況來講這是一個比較合適的方式 |
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好來部長那您覺得就是說現在的這樣的一個修法的進度對於台灣未來的整體能源發展或者是說對於台電未來的整體的發展會不會有更大的幫助大家現在一直在講台電的虧損問題那包括我們在講到這個國際燃料大漲甚至 |
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這個我們中油最近去跟這個美國LNG簽了一個大單對於台美關係對於台灣的整個能源政策能源問題是否能夠得到有效的緩解呢是 謝謝委員崔薰這個部分我想如果不把它拆分的話為此目前的運作方式對台電應該是最適合的因為他們習慣這樣的一個運作模式而且知道在過去那段日子 |
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發生過什麼樣的問題那要面對過去的這個問題他現在可以提出可以解決的方式所以我們這個遵從這個委員剛才所這個提示的部分我們認為委員所主張的這一種不拆分的這個方式應該是最好的方式 |
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不拆分我是支持啦但是我其實想要看到更多台電在對於強化電網這一塊所做的努力啦因為我們都一直講說維持供電的穩定是一個很基本的需求嘛現在不拆分讓台電還是一家 |
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完全壟斷的公司在處理這些疏配電業所以台電就必須要擔負更重的責任我們一直講要強化電網的韌性但是你們要擔負更重的責任甚至你要投入更多的投資你才有辦法在電網的韌性這一塊去把它強化起來但是很多台電的虧損這麼多錢你們還有錢要去強化電網韌性 |
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我們現在大概會導入用AI的方法然後讓他產生智慧的這個電網然後我想這個會強化他整個人性透過算力來觀察他可能未來有什麼樣的變化所以我們對這一部分因為新的科技的導入對台電的這個營運我們更具信心部長 新的科技導入也要需要很多電來 董事長你好像有話要講來 給你介紹一下報告委員 那個 |
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其實台電不分割不代表台電就是會維持既有的壟斷的狀況我跟委員報告就是現在民營的發電業跟民間需要綠電的廠商他可以直接交易台電只負責做快遞就是鼎泰豐可以賣給想要吃小籠包的人台電做Fupenda |
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我並沒有把小籠包壟斷下來我要跟委員報告現在的狀況台電只有在輸電這個輸配電這個會在自然壟斷的這一塊國家經營而它現在越來越多的發電其實包括我們的機組是在配合著產業需要綠電在做調度我要跟委員報告這一塊是 |
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好 如果是你剛剛講的啦你只負責當fupenda你只負責當快遞的時候其實你的快遞業務也要增加啦沒錯你的輸配電的這個工程的供給量其實也要快速增加你才能達到你剛剛所講的這一塊啦這也是韌性電網的其中一環嘛是的 這些是公共投資尤其是維持韌性這一件事情都是額外投資所以需要國家支持 |
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即使我們現在的電源法修完之後我覺得你的公共投資的這個部分還是要持續增加 是的好 謝謝 |