| IVOD_ID |
159482 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159482 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T12:44:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T12:52:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb0d87274f548364fc356c3f89dc79e7a256c2779210393a151fd3a25c60a590e925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:44:13 - 12:52:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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呃 謝謝主席欸 部長已經他請假他請假了 好那我就請這一個台電董事長賴冠希你先喝口水鄭董 |
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是委員好來董事長好這個昨天你有有一個會議那我看了一下會議的一些結論那會議結論那你有提到就是說這個希望330度就是民生用電330度以下的這一個民生用電能夠做合理的調整那所以說因為接下來這月底就是電價審議委員會審議委員會要開會了那你釋出這樣的訊息是不是有想說這個 |
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第一個是想說反映成本嗎就是說過去長期以來民生用電的電費偏低所以要反映成本那還是說第二個希望藉由這個來減少台電的虧損我跟委員報告就是說昨天事實上是有一個跟記者做了一些說明因為大家都非常關心電價 |
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那在這個題目上面狀況是這樣我們去說明的都是事實就是說目前為止台灣的電價級距裡面就330度以下的電費是比20年前還要低比2004年還要低我要呈現的這是第一個這是事實真的是比較低第二個部分是台電雖然是國營事業但它也是一個營利事業 |
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那這個部分如果要台電承擔我們認為說政府編列預算來支持是應該要有的工作全世界的一些民主國家也都做德國、日本、法國都做了相關的如果要電業承擔就要由政府來編列預算補貼的一個相關的對等措施 |
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那我們是認為說如果電價繼續一低那是不是能夠把這個對等措施也能夠同時做起來就是兩件事情第一件事情就是說那一個你提到就是說這個330度以下民生用電你說反映一個事實嘛就是長期是偏低那所以我說你提出來這個事實是說比如說是想要反映成本那事實做調整 |
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就是說如果我們認為說這個確實乖離成本而且比20年前還低其實違反常識那如果真的電價委員會如果還要做出一個決議就是說持續照顧民生那照顧民生這個部分政府也都編列了預算是不是能夠讓這個預算編列補貼台電的部分能夠真正落實 |
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那我當然知道啦 去年這個最佳1000億 那今年也變成1000億但是看起來這2000億應該是很難通過啦那所以才會有接下來就是說 那台電第一個 還在虧損當中虧損當中當然第一個 這個政府如果資金有業助進來 那當然對於虧損是有協助那對於虧損有協助其實漲價的這個壓力就沒有這麼大嘛 對不對是的 |
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好那第二個就是說那如果這兩千億沒有進來的話那台電該怎麼辦報告委員兩千我只能夠跟您說電價也不是台電決定對當然能不能補貼也不是台電決定 |
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對我知道啊所以你才會所以我想說你是不是釋出那個訊息出來就是說因為民生電價長期來講比較偏低我們會希望我們真的會希望因為我要跟委員報告我們提的這些東西都是事實我們也希望社會能夠做合理的討論我們也希望能夠多做一點我們這都在合理的討論你把事實講出來那我們透過這個場域讓社會大眾知道這個事實 |
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那第二個就是說你還有提到這個有可能會調整這個底度的規定因為過去這個底度的規定跟委員特別做報告感謝您關心因為底度是一個固定支出其實台灣有我們台電的電費統計裡面有100多萬戶有掛電表但是它一個月的用電度數其實不到20度接近150萬150萬的用戶都是講最低的電費而已20度 |
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對角20度但它是接近空戶但問題是我們掛電錶設電路這些都有固定成本我們覺得隨著物價的上漲人工的費用也上漲這一些固定成本是不是應該做合理的反應尤其是針對空戶 |
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對那所以說如果按照昨天有釋放出來訊息的話那是不是會把這一個底度把它調整20度往上調調到30度或是40度我們希望的我們希望能夠跟部裡面討論的方式是現在這一些固定成本的邊境成本支出是不是能夠合理的做反應那是不是還要照著這種底度的觀念去做 |
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就是幾度算是底度這一件事我們也會一併做檢討因為它是一個fixed cost它不是跟因為現在的公式現在的公式有點問題它是跟著變動成本去做計算這個就不對應該要回到固定成本觀念去做計算我來當董事長我也希望能夠把這一些過去電價表不完全合乎經濟邏輯的事情做一些調整在這邊一併跟委員做報告好那表示說這個底度會做調整就對了 |
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對 就是基本的費用那我再問一下台電目前的財務狀況目前負債多少我們負債 |
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兩兆多啊累虧累虧是4229億對累虧啦2024年的計算就是累計虧成是到2024年是4229億嘛好那你們也試圖要舉債嘛對不對是的你們看我們這個今年預計要舉債1500億那去年已經有舉債多少1600億是好那 |
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這個舉債當然是一個方式 那當然市場買不買帳是另外一回事那可是舉債就有成本啦 有利息啦 我問一下你們一年光是這個舉債利息是多少目前我們的平均利率大概在城上我們的舉債餘額大概一年要支出300億以上 |
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一年光是利息有300億是的你們這300億是你們舉債是跟公股銀行借錢嗎還是怎麼樣我沒有發各種我還是要跟委員報告因為台電目前的狀況其實我們的利率台電舉借的利率實際上是比一般企業來講稍低一些稍低一些主要是母數很大就是我們的餘額很高還是有300億對 |
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那所以目前來看的話你們的負債比已經高達九成二了那所以還有舉債的空間嗎 |
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跟委員報告其實是因為我們不管我們這個市場債的市場有一定程度的未納量那這些銀行持有公司債也有一定比例的上限就是他持有單一公司的比例是有受到軍管會的一些限制的所以我們其實從去年開始我們發公司債的投標比就已經開始下降 |
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那當然電費漲不漲最後不是你們來決定的那我也相信說如果這一個追加預算跟這個今年撥的預算總共2000億能夠過當然對於台電的虧損會有所幫助那對台電虧損有所幫助其實就是減輕了全民的負擔其實應該是這樣子來講但是如果這2000億落空的話 |
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相信這一個漲價的壓力就會有啦但是這個不是台電你們這家公司的責任啦 |