| IVOD_ID |
159474 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159474 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T12:12:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T12:22:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb069ce839935a7c36e56c3f89dc79e7a256c2779210393a151f21262aa761bdb5a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:12:33 - 12:22:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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主席有請郭部長郭部長委員好 |
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部長好 我想總質詢的時候跟你討教過有關於地面型跟屋頂型的問題那之所以需要跑向屋頂型是因為地面型其實非常困難到目前政策缺口還缺個五六GW那地面型之所以出了這麼多爭議性的問題的話其實啊 台鹽本身啊這個台鹽底下的台鹽綠能的爭議案件就受人詬病 |
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問題是台研是經濟部每年投資6.9億持股占38.8占38.8董事其實是9席當中占5席過半結果呢這個台研綠能的董事長總經理分別起訴12年跟10年經濟部有沒有責任啊 |
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有沒有主管受到嚴懲啊部長請回答報告委員這個是在我想目前為止還沒有確定的沒有確定已經起訴這麼嚴重了你要等到判刑確定才要做懲處嗎你就告訴我起訴了不代表定罪啦12年10年好那你告訴我那如果定罪之後你們要不要懲處 |
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如果定罪的話我們當然懲處懲處懲處主管機關懲處誰到什麼階段 |
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這個我想這個法院會來沒有沒有沒有 法院是法院 我說到你行政機關行政政府的時候 公務員懲戒委員會報告委員 我們會就法院這個結果來做一個適時的懲處必要的時候來做懲處好 第二個 這一家公司啊搞了烏煙瘴氣 讓整個綠能持續被污名化 |
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我問一下整個公社資本人啊虧了連2.5億啊已經快虧光了聽說你們是要再加碼還是要把它收起來方向怎麼樣 |
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這個方向都會做各種不同的評估什麼時候會出來這個評估的話我想我們會經過各種風險的評估然後找出一個最適合的方法出來的時候我們再跟委員報告什麼時候 要不要加一個時間點要評估那麼久嗎 |
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台研現在正在進行這個最後的評論台研啊基本上是屬於一種國有的一個企業卻沒有受到立法院的監督什麼事情我們找他的時候擺出一副老大不管的樣子在我的選區當中七座當中有三座而且連台研博物館找他來討論一下愛理不理 |
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這個就是你們自己的行政監督的結果啊搞出這麼多弊案啊是 報告委員我想台研就像您剛剛所指正的我們只持股38.8我們是最大的股東對但是它是已經一個上市的公司是所以我想也算是一個公股公司啦很多的單位在監管它主要的大股東是你們啦你們占50%啦是你們直接可以擁有決定權的啦 |
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我們當然會監督他的這個監督不力啊要好好檢討啦好 我再跟你討論另一個問題你看森巴第二期到現在為止喔二期的森巴電業執照還遲遲未發我就問你嘛整個森巴從去年六月以來配合台電調度南科工電1.1GW試運轉已經到這種狀態已經快一年了 |
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為什麼徵招還沒有發下來為什麼這個委員我可以請這個署長跟你報告嗎可以來能源署長是報告委員因為那個立法院這邊在1月有一個主決議裡面有一些要求申報要履行的事項他還沒有完成哪一個事項沒有完成目前比較重要的就是希望他跟這個民眾辦理公開的說明會公開的說明會辦過幾場你知道了嗎 |
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目前立法院要求他能夠辦四場那麼之前我們已經他辦了一場但是另外三場還沒有辦所以我們希望他盡快能夠依照立法院的決議把這三場辦好那個說明的部分老早就已經辦過好幾次一直強調所謂的安全檢測的部分安全檢測的部分就找了瑞士羅生公司來進行安全檢測 |
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瑞士羅生公司也是中油管線的一個公司也沒有問題的情況底下為什麼安全沒問題什麼都沒有問題結果你們執照遲遲不發送我手頭上是好幾區的十幾個里長簽署了聲明書他們希望 |
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你們趕快合法所以我們希望申辦能夠依立法院的決議趕快辦說明會那辦完之後他辦了好幾場了啦因為後來他是有這個經濟委員會已經快一年了啦按照這種程序裡頭你們如果不給這一個執照的話基本上是違法的我們不會不給他執照你們就拖了快一年啊你一年沒有給的話那電學金的回饋金就沒有辦法運作啊 |
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我算一下這個電學金的部分以發電量來說每一度要0.018來做回饋的話48億度的話總共每年回饋金額8640萬以現在地方已經實質在承擔這個發電的這種負擔的情況底下你回饋不給你是什麼意思 |
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是 所以我們希望申辦能夠盡快依立法院的組決議來完成這個組決議基本上就已經辦過啦 之前就辦過好幾次你要到底辦幾場啊因為那是組決議以後希望他能夠再辦四場那目前辦一場我們希望把他他趕快把這另外三場 到底要辦幾場要求是 要求再辦一場就好要求辦四場 那我們可以請他再辦因為他有辦一場了 |
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那但是還不符合主決議的要求所以我們希望他能夠盡快完成這個要求我跟你講署長你要有尬子一點是這明明是兩回事他那個說明會是為了一期一期跟二期是兩回事要脫鍋處理啊你聽到沒有了解你剛代理署長而已啊是你要表現得跟上面那個署長不一樣一點啊是不要被拖得團團轉啊好我們會參考我跟你講 |
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如果說你這樣弄不好 我就找你算帳會的 我們只要就是說我們再跟申辦來溝通搞什麼 這違法的事情你們可以公開違法堵職沒有違法 我們一定是照程序來算程序都已經給你們了 已經運轉快一年了還沒有證照 |
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這沒有違法因為他目前的已經經過國際公司的檢定了已經安全無虞了你還不給他細節我們跟委員報告第一個他之前有送資料他的資料是要件不齊全所以我們有把它做一句已經即時補件了啦目前他還沒有送到我們這邊之前已經即時補件了如果沒有即時補件就罰他嘛好部長來我再問你一下部長部長是之前啊 |
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486.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
整個能源署出的問題就是在KPI的問題啦橫衝直轉了嘛呼嘎瞎搞包括太陽能是這樣子包括天然氣也是這樣子天然氣的話用KPI思考的話硬要把9A通過結果現在9A弄到後來9A也是受害者啊之前我就跟你們講啊 |
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490.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
500.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這個簽這個電力採購協定之前一定要有這個這個環評好現在又知錯能改 改過來要環評了好現在九威有沒有辦法運轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
503.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
525.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
沒有辦法嘛我們都是依照這個法令的規定在進行我跟你講啦 好 法令啦要取得施工息可必要條件要經過還品他現在沒有拿到還品 合約已經到二月底已經到期了那現在已經到期的情況底下你有沒有確定了解台電有沒有依法處罰款這個我請台電董事長跟你們報告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
526.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
553.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
有沒有我要請台電董事長跟你報告總經理跟你報告報告委員九位公司已經來函要求說要終止契約只是說這個終止契約的條件譬如剛剛您提到的整個的罰款金額怎麼計算雙方還有一些爭執爭議這個爭議我們正在處理當中大概是目前的進度到這裡目前在確認罰款的金額那罰是什麼時候開始罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
555.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
574.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
依照合約啦齁那因為當時的這個合約在執行的過程當中有一些不可抗力的條件我們有給他一些這方面的一些展言那要罰幾個月才能終止契約所以目前就是針對這個部分我們認為要多罰一點他認為要少罰一點可是就時間上沒有argument空間吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
575.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
594.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
你金額你多少你們兩部分可以談可是就實質金額你罰款六個月之後你今年應該8月25號就要終止契約條件了不是嗎是就是我們預計罰他六個月的那個所以最慢8月25號就依法終止契約是最慢到8月25最慢8月25 9月就結束了 |
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596.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
611.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
因為他已經提前要求說要提前終止契約好 真正退場就8月25對 如果最晚的話大概就是這個時候但是就是合約會到那個時候結束啦但是中間的法律上的一些談判我知道 我期待8月25有結果 謝謝是謝謝 |