| IVOD_ID |
159471 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159471 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T12:08:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T12:17:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb02da65832e4d7d13d4aa23c349ee8e6936c2779210393a1517d6d5c14b1ef24585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:08:33 - 12:17:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請蘇人事長請人事長 |
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委員午安 陳市長午安今天是三月二十號是郵政節本席剛十點去參加中華郵政的慶祝大會但是郵政節最近我們看到中華郵政的員工居然兩萬四千名都收到通知引發部分的員工不滿表達拒簽主要是說是要被要求說要簽署所謂的未在大陸涉及的拒絕書 |
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請教任市長您知道說這個是屬於中華郵政單一個案還是我們國營事業都有被要求有針對中華郵政嗎我們是轉公文給交通部當然是交通部轉的所以是交通部轉那你們有要求說國營事業也應該要簽拒絕書嗎 |
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他現在是一個階段性的主要是以軍公教核心能力先填這個國營事業員工是算軍公教人員他應該是算因為他裡面有些是算事業員工是用什麼樣的法 |
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勞基法還是軍公校人員它裡面有些是運用公務人員護法,有些是用勞基法是,但主要是適用勞基法如果水桶移轉的話,它也是適用公務人員的規定有多少比例這個我要查一下 |
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我們現在所謂的這個現行國營事業不管是糖店、油水、郵政等相關不管是交通部所屬、經濟部所屬大部分的員工都適用勞基法那我現在這樣請教是說這一個拒絕書到底我們的這個所謂的命令或是我們的行政教練法原依據在哪邊 |
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你剛有提到是說是人事總署轉給我們的交通部對各部會啦你有要求交通部再轉下去沒有啊交通部收到以後他們就會自己去處理啊所以是交通部的問題不是你人事總署的問題 |
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目前第一個階段我們理解的大概以軍公教這是是嗎 你講是軍公教嘛 但是交通部他可能廣義事業 因為其實有可能以所詳的廣義事業他順便也轉下去 因為有剛才委員提的交通部嘛 經濟部嘛還有財政部嘛 研究院嘛 但是本席就看到因為國營事業員工並不是公務人員嘛適用的是勞基法就業服務法或勞基法相關規定雇主不能要求員工 |
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提供非所屬就業所需的隱私資料那這點 我覺得這也不是隱私資料啊這不是隱私資料嗎要不然你問說有一些相關的規定這個欄位事實上也是很簡單也沒有跟什麼隱私有關而且他也沒有 |
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你如果不填也沒有處罰他是一個鼓勵性的人不填也沒有處罰是因為收到拒絕書之後大家有些員工嘩然反彈會說為什麼會現在在這時候要簽這個拒絕書也因此才會有單位出來講是說不填沒有關係但是今天當一個上級長官發了一個公文要求所有員工都填的時候你認為有員工敢不填嗎 |
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這不是慣老闆的心態嗎我現在老闆要你做什麼你員工就是下屬你員工就是反正聽我的就對了幾十年前或許會這樣可是現在年輕人的想法跟我們以前的想法會不一樣 |
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他可能是覺得我根本不需要填為什麼我要填是啊那為什麼要發所以現在是說慣了條例九字一條全國適用全國適用我先再請教我們現在的現行規定國營事業是不是已經禁止雙重國籍 |
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國營事業你如果是管理階層的事啊本來依規定國人就不能在中國大陸涉及否則就會註銷台灣身份證嘛對啊這就是法令上的規定啊所以現在入取的國營事業的員工是不是本來就已經沒有他只有台灣身份證嘛 |
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如果說他有中國大陸的設計的話他早就被註銷了根本不可能入局啊所以你現在是在配合政府又在做大內宣他沒有對方的可是過去這幾年來可能他服務10年20年這期間他有去入局我們會做一個普查的概念 |
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所以現在 您承認現在是做普查的概念所以你現在就是承認在探尋隱私目前這個階段是以軍公教 軍公教核心沒有錯 軍公教 我剛剛開宗明義就說我沒有在討論軍公教嘛我現在討論的是國營事業是不是適用你的相關法令嘛 |
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有嗎國營事業我們現在你的法令有國營事業的員工是勞基法除非你修法提出來修法讓國人知道說現在連國營事業只要是用勞基法的甚至未來可能你如果說勞基法要修法的話那私人企業也都要拒絕啊也都要拒絕 |
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國營事業裡面有很多人是公監了尤其在管理階層的我們當然是要...多少比例 你剛剛沒有講清楚但大部分國營事業現在就是沒有公務人員的身份嘛報告委員 那個批論我們請你解釋一下 送給你好不好所以 任市長您站在人事的角度本席為什麼會提出來重點在於是您站在人事的角度您應該是要保障的是我們所有員工的權益 |
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保障的是我們所有不管是公教人員不管是我們國營事業人員員工的權益不是嗎來 任市長我再請教一下上午我知道你有答詢的時候已經有接收到說勞動節你認為是說可以由全國統一放假是不是我不反對這樣的一個open discussion |
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不反對這樣的一個公開討論對對不對那但是在前兩天內政委員會在做這個討論修法的時候我們人事總署的意見是什麼 |
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那一天沒有問我們意見啊有啊我們有書面報告書面報告你忘了看是不是當然有啊 那一天問了好幾個部會教育部 國防部 人事總署都有啊一定是尊重主管機關所以你是尊重嘛 你不反對你沒有把你不反對寫出來嘛 |
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我再來請教因為你去年九月有回應是說統一放假是取決於內政部是否修改相關的辦法人事總署再加以調整但是你會跟內政部溝通啊 |
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那既然現在勞動節五一其實從2016年前蔡英文總統她宣誓就說全國應該要有一致性的時候我們很多的民進黨的委員有提案啊要五一勞動節應該全體放假第九屆有這樣的提案第十屆有這樣的提案到第十一屆現在有好幾個委員的版本那我想請教人事總署人事長有沒有再積極的跟我們內政部來溝通 |
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是不是已站在全國休假一致性避免造成困擾的一個情況下我相信過去這幾年你應該有接收到很多我們公教人員對你的反應對你的陳情 對你的拜託認為說五一勞動節是不是有機會能夠全國一致適用沒有 我沒有接到我們同仁因為我們同仁沒有跟我提這樣 |
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人事長 如果你講這樣的話我就覺得你真的是活在雲端啊你跟基層的員工距離太遠了你既然可以這樣子講代表你跟基層的員工距離太遠了你活在雲端 你活在辦公室你沒有接收到我們全國廣大軍公教人員的心聲我感到非常失望 謝謝 |