| IVOD_ID |
159469 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159469 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T12:03:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T12:12:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb0eb6061b2fbd3e30056c3f89dc79e7a256c2779210393a1513fb8e3d700d2a5af5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:31 - 12:12:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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好 請郭部長一律所屬的 |
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剛好上來 都正好 董事長好部長好 署長好 董事長好來 標題很清楚離島供電虧損 遷移依法撥補合作開發綠電實現電網互通來 我們請到這個新聞大概在3月9號的時候台電持續虧損 擬漲電價 追討離島補貼部長 這個消息你知道嗎知道 3月9號 知道那台電說 它有三個劇本我們還是希望說 這個小店家住宅的小用戶盡量不要漲或不要漲那麼多 |
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但是台電說那如果這樣的話我不行啊我要去追討這個離島補貼來看一下部長知道離島發電的虧損過去有補貼嗎有沒有撥補離島簽署條例是4條嘛用水用電平均費率收取嘛然後呢主管機關中央目的世界主管機關審查後要編列預算撥補資請問部長提供離島平價水電是依法的 |
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義務對不對那因此要撥補業者的虧損這是不是政府的法定義務要用法定的支出是的是的好所以經濟部會怎麼做 |
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經濟部我想謝謝委員的這個提醒經濟部當然就是通通是依法行事經濟部一向的作為就是依法行事不只依法行事還要尊重民意機關來105年行政院曾經說不要編列預算指引喔給經濟部喔可是後來呢在去年經濟委員會審查說做成決議喔要請離島基金研議撥補台電的可行性研議的結果你們有研議嗎 |
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離島基金來撥補台電可信息你們有言議嗎這個部分我是不是請這個台電董事長跟您報告其實也不是台電啦離島基金是誰在管離島基金國發會在管嘛那國發會有來嗎國發沒有來我問過國發會了啦他們基本上的尊重行政院的決定啦往下看所以請問部長那如果是用本院的決定是用離島基金來撥補的話哪個機關要負責編列預算 |
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經濟部經濟部編預算給離島基金那離島基金再來撥補是這樣意思嗎來 曾董事長講一下報告委員 |
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會有這一個討論其實關鍵就是行政院直接編在經濟部補貼台電的預算兩筆都沒有通過所以才會去討論法定的部分離島的建設條例這一條確實是法有名定是那邊在誰那裡那個編列的是14條的規定是由目的世界主管機關來編 |
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好就是來審查那個是這個目的事業主管機關水電的目的事業主管機關是經濟部對但是整個基金放是在國發會這一個條例的召集是行政院所以它其實是一個很特別的法令很好它的主管機關在行政院不在各個部會這是一個非常特別的事我們請郭部長 部長 |
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這樣你的領域很重要喔你在行政部門不能客氣喔國發委我都幫你跟主委都問過了喔雖然總之原來他坐在你旁邊謝謝委員我都問過了好 往下看來 現在來聽一個問題好不同的環境資源條件適合發展不同的能源政策像澳洲有廣大的沙漠現在的光電它可以來發展對不對像是加拿大有豐沛的河川它就可以發展水力發電有些國家有石油有煤有天然氣它可以發展火力發電是不是這樣子 |
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那請問台灣這些地方你都有嗎?台灣有廣闊的沙漠嗎?有豐沛的水電嗎?像在加拿大,還是我們底下有蘊藏石油煤跟天然氣?報告委員,我們現在還是在國內找尋不需要進口的這些能源,包括小水利,包括我們的地熱,這個都是我們在對,包括低熱,低熱潛力很大,但是基本上台灣 |
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目前現有的我們的地理條件我們還是要需要進口能源或進口電嘛是 因為我們所做的這個再生能源呢因為我們的土地不夠多 是那我們的海岸也不夠長 是所以我想只能夠這個做進口的能源的所以進口能源而且進口能源很大部分用來發電是不是這樣子是的那也可以進口電 好 我們看一下來 哪些國家加拿大的電力呢 |
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美國從加拿大進口水電,是不是?是德國從俄羅斯拿天然氣來發電,也從法國進口電力所以一個國家的電力網,它可以尋求進口能源,也可以直接進口電力,是嗎?是的那台灣目前有進口電力嗎?台灣目前沒有進口電力沒有進口電力嗎?好,我們來看一下,所以電網如果互通的話,也可以進口電力嘛 |
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譬如說最近大家討論的剛剛報告洪源提到菲律賓的重電您提說新聞報導說每度是5.5還可以實地考察來我們來看一下目前從菲律賓如果要進口電有三種四種方法啦三種方法第一HVDC高壓直流輸電可以長目前已有的可以重1600公里比交流電還要節省損耗技術上是可行 |
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是的但是可能台灣跟菲律賓有很深的海溝超過3000公尺以上這個還要評估好另外有人說那用電磁團運輸對不對儲能設置放在船上把電運了進去有沒有可能性也有嘛有好另外一種呢就是轉換為氫能把菲律賓的電先轉成氫能再用 |
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安 淡 用它來轉化 讓LNG運送到其他國家 是不是這樣好 但是最後一種呢就是可能我看到最近有人在提到的 今天的新聞台中院在講就是境外關內的產業園區啊也就是說境外發展的電 不是輸到台灣來我們把台灣的部分產業 乾燥我們的產業分工放一部分到那個地方去 直接用那個地方來綠電經濟部有評估這個可能性嗎 |
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這個就是我境外觀內的非常重要的一環所以我們剛剛在談到菲律賓的供電其實我去考察過菲律賓的大馬尼拉電力公司其實菲律賓的工業用電比台灣還高住宅用電更是讓那邊的台商嚇得要死為什麼有沒有經濟部去理解一下菲律賓的電力系統 |
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報告委員我們一開始就沒有考慮使用菲律賓現有的電力設施跟現有的電力的這個做法我們是在一個在跟菲律賓政府希望能夠談到一個具有經濟這個價值的一塊比較大的一個土地然後我們在那裡把台灣的業者送到那個地方去因為透過有這個經濟的這個 |
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這個作用讓它的成本更降低然後它這個電可以賣給我們將來境外官內的工業區的這些業者使用剩下的送回來台灣 |
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來跟部長說明一下因為在場有些人不是不一定會像董事長那麼了解電力這叫做職工啦發電業者他不直接把電他不把電賣給大電力網在大電網分配到用戶去他直接賣給什麼耗能虛能的用戶簡言之今天在菲律賓之前有光電業者去設廠 |
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460.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
482.143 |
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結果後來很吃虧 為什麼因為大馬尼拉這個菲律賓的電力公司的輸配線路的管理效能不如台電所以收很高的管線費算一算呢 如果要賣給他價格會變得很低 不划算不賣給他 都賣停工去啊所以其實之前呢 我去考察過菲律賓台灣過去的光業者在那邊如果都考慮到 聽說我的店要賣給 |
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483.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
507.381 |
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菲律賓的電力公司他不要但是如果我們台商去設廠需要綠能的產業去設廠 像半導體他需要綠電他直接賣給台灣的廠商 他很願意部長有往這個方向去考量嗎是的 我們一開始就是往這個方向直接供應好 最後的結論請協同主計總署研議籌措國發基金依法撥補台電離島的供電虧損 可以嗎 |
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510.083 |
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532.079 |
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我會幫你去找主席總書 因為他在財政委員會是 這是離島建設基金對 這是離島建設基金啊是喔 對不起不是瓜哥基金說錯了 是離島建設基金打錯了齁那另外呢 整合能源供應和產業需求評估在鄰近國家地區 比如說像菲律賓設置台灣產業園區的可行性 可以嗎是的好 那麼進入給本席一個書面的一個報告 好嗎好 謝謝部長 謝謝 |