IVOD_ID |
159464 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159464 |
日期 |
2025-03-20 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
3 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-20T11:42:04+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-20T11:57:26+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:15:22 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb0a71eb42e2bbc54d756c3f89dc79e7a256c2779210393a151ccd2a6181ac5a76e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
委員發言時間 |
11:42:04 - 11:57:26 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席有請經濟部的郭部長 |
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委員好部長你好這個我們看到這個防衛內政部這個防衛韌性擴編他的範圍要推廣到經濟部交通部村里長幹事等等他內政部喊的防災是要目標10萬人整個來講就是目標40萬的民力 |
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這個整體感覺好像台灣快打仗的樣子喔要全民訓練皆兵啊這個請問請問他事先有沒有跟你這邊有沒有跟你聊過這個事情有沒有內政部有沒有跟你談過這個事 |
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這個我們是對於全民防衛這個概念我想大家應該都有啦我想委員應該很清楚吧我們大概都很清楚 勿視敵之不來 恃無有以待之我知道 有沒有跟你談過 跟部長或者跟經濟部談過有沒有我們當然有討論過啦每一個部門所承擔的工作跟任務是不一樣你們這裡面可以掉 |
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可以吊比如說計程車可以吊你們經濟部底下的任何的人這個感覺這感覺在我們整個憲政的運作上除非總統宣布緊急命令否則他沒有辦法 他不能夠隨便吊這個裡面工作的人 吊車輛 吊什麼的他要吊你們的訓練 我就問一個問題他吊你們的人這段時間 訓練時間給的錢 |
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有沒有給錢這個主要是內政部的一個這個目標跟任務啦經濟部的配合對啦我知道啦但是你一直沒有回答問題嘛第一個 |
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好像不知道到底你們底下誰我不是主導這一件事那你告訴我哪一位可以回答哪一位可以回答這個問題就是跟誰談我們目前為止都還沒有都沒有跟你們談 |
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委員所垂詢的部分是非常細的這個細節我知道很重要但是你垂詢的非常細節我仍然還沒有進入到那個 |
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還沒有進入到你所承諾的這個層級類似緊急命令底下可以徵用所有的人緊急命令底下沒有問題我想我們大家都知道那總統也沒有下緊急命令那我們只是說就這個命題來我們大概知道有這樣的一個命題但是我相信貝盛頓也一定會依法 |
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來進行這些我現在確定你剛剛跟我講說有你現在又說沒有到底是有還是沒有我不能跟你講說我沒有這個有這一件事情跟這件事情的內容我問的不是很清楚我是問內政部有沒有找經濟部談問這樣子你一直整波你沒有回答我 |
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因為這個是涉及到跨部會的一個議題 |
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那內政部是主辦機關然後我們那個權鬥署會有召集相關的部會在討論這個事你沒有沒有被目前沒有被調目前沒有嘛目前沒有可是這個新聞就做了這麼大人家感覺好像台灣又要上台了有準備要打仗了這感覺很不好啦而且而且可以隨時調動經濟部底下的交通部底下的連計程車司機也要調里長也要調 |
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是這樣子的我要強調這個概念你們來講他要調你們的人然後你們完全就不知道結果他現在已經消息了出來我知道啦我當然知道全民的防衛動員可是他已經要這樣做了結果你們都不知道照理講 |
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內政部跟經濟部是一樣大照理講要尊重你們要知會一下經濟部長很明顯經濟部長沒有被知會嘛我是替部長你討公道啊說這個事情應該知會你一下嘛 |
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謝謝委員 我想這個我們對這件事情還停留在剛Kick off的這個階段那這裡面要運作各方面 這個都要透過好 這個我不要花太多時間在這裡了第二個 第二個問題比較大這個台積電要去投資美國到底是1000億美金還是2000億美金 |
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就這個魏董事長回來的報告為準就是一千億美金可是川普總統一直講兩千億美金到底誰講得對那這個可能我們要再確認一下你也不敢確認 |
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到現在為止我不是當事人嘛總統已經講美國總統美國爸爸都講兩千億美金了然後我們這裡點點的就默認喔一般的小老百姓就是默認兩千億美金那等於外董事長講一千億阿川普講兩千億 |
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一千例沒搞到兩千例所以我要來確定一下我要來確定到底一千還是兩千例如說魏董事長講的才是事實啦我並沒有講說川普川普總統他怎麼樣子來表達這一件投資的這個案我不是很清楚但是以我們來講經濟部在把關這件事情的時候 |
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就是台積電他要去美國投資多少錢1000億美金或者將來2000億美金都要經過我們的投審司請問現在投審司投審司有六個要件這個現在沒有時間講喔 |
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請問這個件 送件沒有?送託診室沒有?到現在沒有到現在都沒有啊啊已經跟人家簽 也不是MOU就準備決定了啊你敢這樣 經濟部等於 |
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這是委員您的看法啦我想這麼大的一個投資一個公司的董事長都可能信口開河我非常相信我也非常的尊重董事長我也非常佩服一個董事長可以在三天裡面見兩個總統然後他在分享的時候兩位總統都給他鼓掌好那其他的公司也可以這樣子喔我也可以直接去投資不要經過投資的事喔 |
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我只要強調這一點喔我們的法令規定如果要從台灣把錢匯出去一定要經過投資人士啊投資人士不允許他,他怎麼去匯這個錢去?他要拿現金嗎?不可能的事情嘛所以現在他還沒有送啊他還沒有送不代表他不會投,他還沒有講說他什麼時候開始要請問你現在知道台積電的外資佔多少? |
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外資的部分大概佔了七八十個百分之七十二這裡面的董事我們台灣人三個啦外國人因為看起來大部分美國人四個獨董 |
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幾位也都是外國人但是讀懂有一位是零權所以三四三台灣的董事三個美國的董事四個或者往其他看我們一直讀一讀都是外國人那讀懂三個裡面有一個零權這個這樣的一個結構外界的質疑外界的擔心是有道理的 |
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這個要變美積電隨時可以變美積電啊董事改選馬上就 董事長就換人啦董事長換人就可以啦每一個產業都有它的特性不能夠用一般的論述啊來講這個特殊的這個產業台積電這個產業 坦白講它的這個資本支出啊 |
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是非常大的一個產業所以他們不會笨到說我今天去到一個不具競爭力的這個地區然後去創造我自己的新的事業這個是完全不符合我想這個委員你也是管理局的專家你應該非常了解這個基本的要素從外資的結構他董事長換人是可行的 |
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我是跟你強調這一點你跟我講其他都沒回答我的問題啊因為台灣人三個美國人四個啊獨統也是外國人兩個二比一他們的人都比我們多投票就改掉啦 |
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為職家要被換掉都很輕而易舉啊只要投票就過啦所有的報告委員我想所有的董事啊他有一個責任就是要為了他的企業能夠make money如果照你這樣講這樣換了人他做的不好這樣兩下就被拉下來啦星際客不就這樣子嗎Intel這麼大的一個公司運作的不好你就下台 |
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這個產業是非常非常救人的而且很容易去經營的部長我沒有時間再聽你長兵大論了我只是問你一個問題這樣的董事結構股東結構外資70%它的從太積電變成美積電的可能性存不存在我就問你這樣子 |
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如果就學術上面的討論如果是學術上的討論當然可能啊機率很小機率很小對啊不然的話請你提出來這個論述嘛我要跟你報告就專業的角度來看不可能 |
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因為我的專業我可以跟您報告就是不可能我在這個領域裡面我在這個領域裡面50年因為50年的經驗我可以很肯定的跟委員報告他就是不可能學術上面的討論就基於來看 |
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他是非常微薄不是說不可能不是啊 微薄的機率你的經歷基本上是Trading比較多啦也不必把它講得多偉大你是Trading比較多啦貿易做得比較多啦我不是推理喔我推理也是符合這個你Trading做得比較多啦符合原則的啊我是用社會科學來推理的啊最後一點 我很在意的 |
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你們現在用情緒勒索說不給你一千億就要漲價這一點 |
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老實講這一點對整個民主運作是非常不公平的今天明明有便宜的核電一度一塊四你不用要去用很貴的這邊人家教授人家中研院都講了你們可以用核電你不用核電然後你硬要漲我們的價老百姓是不接受的啦 |
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一千億也不會給你如果你提出條件說給我一千億我會核電我個人我個人我會支持但是你不要核電要一千億我不接受謝謝謝謝委員的支持事實上在我們經濟委員會的討論過程裡面一千億剛剛市長江其改委員也講過了一千億他正確的正確的判斷是3除30億 |
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要用核電腦!要用核電腦!要用核電腦!要用核電腦!要用核電腦!要用核電腦!要用核電腦! |
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然後你現在沒有你現在便利的店不用 便利用櫃的那個童子賢都講了童子賢你聽我講童子賢都講了我們不是說不用 而是說現在的法令在現在的法令的這個 |
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這個之下我們必須要遵法我們也必須要守法今天如果我們不遵法不守法今天政府不遵法不守法那這個政府還有信賴嗎所以我跟委員報告今天那個法的框架在那個地方我們必須要依法行事這個你不能要求我們不依法行事這一點我們不能接受 |
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沒有這個法咧沒有這個法沒有這個法核安法就規定在那邊非常清楚嘛如果今天我們理性的討論把核安法大家可以接受的話我們不排除 |
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沒有說不能用核電啦這是一個信仰的問題這是執政黨他要的東西今天請你當部長我所了解的就是認為你開放你可以用核電結果你為了當部長你還是不要用你還是不要用法令沒有說不能用核電喔 |
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法令上面有規定現有的核電機組必須在40年以後下載如果要研議必須在5年前提出來這個是明確的一個法令的規定我不能不遵守我最後講一句話就好了我再強調一遍 |
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你一千億說可以啟用核電我支持不啟用核電我不支持第一個我結論你不用回答我時間到了一直被催第二個第二個很重要的一件事情那就是這個我們在野黨都已經替你們 |
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都修改法令你說演藝要演藝都可以要護國都可以第三個美國老大已經在吹希望能夠用核電這個請部長認真思考否則漲價得不到明星謝謝委員所有大院的決定我們一定遵守謝謝委員好 謝謝 |