| IVOD_ID |
159458 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159458 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T11:34:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T11:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb07d48f507dec7365056c3f89dc79e7a2560f1855e115a4ba4e339ddae18a2dfb35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:09 - 11:42:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請郭部長 |
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委員好 部長美國的川普總統他在競選的時候他就已經主張要加重關稅來消除美國對各個國家的貿易的這個逆差他在上任之後的話他也馬上兌現了他的政見加徵了出口到美國的鋼鋁製品關稅到25%他也預告了4月份要來實施對等的關稅 |
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增加這個關稅這個動作本席是非常的擔心那我們看到我們台灣2024年對美國出口將近1163億美元那美國進口到我們台灣的是424億美元那我們國家是在 |
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这个美国第六大的这个贸易这个逆差的国家那我们出口到美国的大部分也都是这个机械的用具跟电子的零件那经济部应该对我们国内的相关的产业对这个被征收关税的问题你有没有相对应的这个应对的方式是报告委员我们都有各种不同的这个情境的模拟然后提出因应的对策那刚才你所这个垂询的这部分呢 |
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大概740億左右的這個出鈔呢大部分其中有七成是屬於伺服器是屬於伺服器的部分那我們會針對我們出鈔的部分然後來訪談所有的這個業者那我們跟業者共同討論如何來因應這樣子如果萬一關稅被調整的話 |
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我們能會得到多少的這個衝擊跟傷害那報告委員我想所有的剛才你在上面所列舉的這些業者我們都談過我們都有談過那建立各種不同的情境因為美國會跟我們談什麼樣的內容 |
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我們沒有辦法了解但是我們可以去推論我們還沒有談我們會去推論那我們主談不是經濟部談我們談的是我們的這個談判辦公室在談是因為部長你特別說你會協助廠商以往這個美國那我們是擔心 |
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這些產業包括像台積電他到美國去投資上下游的整個產業也都會為了成本問題而到美國去那你要協助這些產業到美國那整個我們台灣的就業市場不就會下降了嗎不會報告委員我想這個地方大家應該是可以用比較科學的來討論這個數大就分支數大就分支他今天到美國去特別像你剛才所指導的這個台積電這件事情 |
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台積電是非常大它是一個世界市場的公司而且它是一個所以大家可能比較了解就是因為大所以上下游的產業才會跟著它走上下游的產業它也要看它的成本能不能夠符合那成本不能夠符合幾乎很難移動我要跟委員報告就我專業的角度跟我的經驗來跟您報告的話我可以分享給你就是說 |
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供應鏈的部分大概是10倍的量對於這個台積電使用量的10倍所以我今天賣給台積電譬如說假設矽晶圓矽晶圓台積電大概一個月用兩萬片一條線如果說部長你講到這個問題的話本席要提醒你 |
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剛剛有講到說我們出口到美國是1163億的美元嘛那但是我們看到我們在這個所有我們晶片或者半導體的設備出口到美國大概佔有83.51億的美元在我們出口值上只是不到5% |
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不到我怕我們被美國要增加這個關稅我們就被嚇到了馬上就跑到美國去設廠在這種情形之下想請教部長就是說那是不是說我們台積電到美國之後的話我們就有這個當籌碼來幫忙所有我們其他產業到出口到美國可以免備加徵關稅的這個籌碼是不是這樣子 |
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這個部分我想報告委員這個是綜合的考量我相信台積電會幫助它的供應鏈來談出一個比較好的條件畢竟打它關稅那對台積電的成本就增加了那就更沒有競爭力了所以這個不符合企業國際化的這樣的一個要求我要跟委員報告的就是說台積電到美國去 |
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絕對不是受到美國 他一定是受到美國客戶的需求客到美國客戶的需求因為他是有客戶的需求 可是部長你不要忘了國際企業的創造只有兩個我們知道都要創造走入國際化但是人才外流是我們擔心的因為他現在宣布了說要到美國研發中心當然跟我們台灣的研發中心是有區隔的 |
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一個是那個先進的製程一個是屬於整個產能產量的製造但是兩個研發中心的人才在那邊一起的時候你要知道說他會不會超前了我們的技術或者我們技術會流到美國去這個都是我們關係的問題你是不是給我一點時間跟你說明 |
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美國的研究大概是做這個基本的研究包括材料 包括用什麼樣的設備來生產這個是美國的同仁他們比較喜歡做的事情所以美國的大學 美國的研究所都是在做這個所謂Research |
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對這個工作但是台積電最厲害在台灣的有9000人的那個是做develop可是他也說他要肩負著開創新的技術啊對但是那個技術啊要能夠成為生產他要能夠發展出來這要量產就好像我今天在家裡我只能做一點的這個這個譬如說10件但是我在工廠生產的就是1萬件 |
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有這個技術要發展成能夠製造部長你要了解這些都是我們擔心的你要如何讓國人能夠增強信心不會因為台積電到美國去投資之後我們大家信心會大減要繼續壯大我們的護國神山台積電台積電是它的技術就是到哪裡大概別人很難接受的很難接收的 |
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可是研發中心在美國設之後這是我們擔心的它那個是在線上我這個線上已經成熟了我要讓它良率因為半導體注重的是良率可是我們就怕超前了啦這個在研發中心在美國之後他們的各項技術就會超前我們台灣的研發中心報告委員台積電在座剛剛跟我講研究跟發展的工程師有一萬多位 |
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所以這個是不可能他去的是一千位是這個所謂製程商我在生產上面的工程師如何生產的成本更低如何的效益更好部長你要有信心那也希望能夠讓我們的護國神山繼續壯大好不好是好謝謝好謝謝 |