| IVOD_ID |
159429 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159429 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T09:47:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T10:01:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb0db4ab75df31a4d2eb06f2ced2e0bc090525a0be0b44ec4a33f1c478c5b52ad615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:04 - 10:01:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查行政院函請審議「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」案。
三、彙總整理提出「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案。） |
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台積電要去美國 但是已經去了日本 |
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請問你,他去日本熊本那個廠,他是一個新的獨立的公司還是子公司?請問子公司,是這是子公司,所以他要報合併報表,對吧? |
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賺的錢要匯回來這個對吧合併報表要看他股東會最後怎麼決議那現在公司的移所稅是合併報表那員工的中所稅就有一個問題了比如說張三跟李氏台積定的高級員工年薪一千萬 |
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他現在去亞利桑那他如果在台灣報那就670萬的免稅額海外所得 670萬免稅 |
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現在已經調到750萬現在調到750 最新的750 免稅額從亞利桑那賺的錢就750萬匯回來他就只課250萬的稅喔我是台積電的在竹科的員工我一樣課1000萬的稅喔現在差很多 |
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啊怎麼辦 請問你 這樣要怎麼辦張三理事要來查財 去亞利桑那裡回來只課250的稅啊我在這裡傻傻的在這裡工作就課一千萬的稅 假如年薪都是一千萬 怎麼講委員 這個激增的時務我是不是請署長來做署長可以啊 說署長 |
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報告委員 因為台積電的子公司所僱用的員工他是在美國提供勞務所以他會變美國的來源所的美國會去課稅簡單講他是講美國的所以他美國的稅沒有比台灣輕這是第一點第二點他海外所得要不要課稅要看他是台灣的居住者如果他已經改變身份已經變成是美國的居住者不是台灣的他沒有最低稅負的問題 |
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沒有啊 我當然 我剛去一定是台灣人啊 怎麼會呢其實先去那裡工作也是先綠卡 那個一定要是台灣人啊報稅一樣 報台灣的稅啊 怎麼會報美國的稅除非他還真的要轉成公民 那好幾年咧不會馬上變美國公民啦 不會的事啦 |
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我在美國那國書都很清楚的哪裡有時候去的工作馬上變美國人先拿綠卡綠卡的時候還是台灣人啦是是是所以我說要科學居住者就有這個問題啊我先告訴你們你們都沒想過就有這個問題他就在那裡即便那裡課了稅他一樣其他的地方可以匯回來台灣裡面750萬是沒有稅的 |
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這裡面就有空檔了 就這些人就有空檔了 這個你就少收了很多稅 這樣跟你說好 謝謝提醒 因為他在國際上你都沒有想過這個問題的拜託 你是好稅的署長都沒有想這個問題報告委員 其實在國際間 這種空稅的課稅這一定產生的嘛 所以 下一個問題來 部長啊就很重要的 |
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避免雙重課稅不然你在這裡承諾我們才兩年啊大概兩年又哭哭哭你都沒有現在躺在美國參議院原來中醫院 你說哇 好樂觀喔哇讚 多哇讚好像你那時候第一次回答我的時候是前年的9月 10月就要通過了到現在今年3月了 |
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叫咕咕咕啊你知道咕咕咕的意思嗎我了解咕咕咕就是那個雞蛋嚇不出來叫咕咕咕啊 |
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跟委員報告,其實這個部分的工作我們財政部的同仁和美方的財政部同仁其實一直就國際文書的內容我們相互進行有關技術性的一些討論都持續在進行但是美國國會的生態,你們也知道他們去年年底然後這一次的新國會上任也很快通過了ADTA的兩個法案 |
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另外他們國內當然他們也有政治上的一些考量譬如說現在參議院他們是在做有關川普新革員的一關有關認證的會議也是非常清楚大家都知道因為現在川普2.0 大家不願意關稅的不告不撒撒沒有時間搞你這個啦 所以 |
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部長 再給你一次機會 你告訴我 什麼時候可以有望千層啊今年有沒有可能 今年 今年跟委方的話 我想不管是總統員或院長也好在各種場合都不斷地在跟提起這個事情同時我們的外交部 美方的TECRO也都 |
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也都一直積極的在跟美國的國會在進行溝通時間的話這個時間其實真的不是掌握在美方他們的一個整個審議的一個進程那我們會積極的溝通不管經濟部也好或者是外交部也好都在努力 |
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川普講的台積電不是投資一千億美金是兩千億美金而且亞利桑那州長處女的就在台灣她把這些供應鏈的廠商都找來了歡迎你們在這裡投資亞利桑那是鳥不生蛋的地方現在不得了了有TSMC在那裡整個供應鏈整個鳳凰城變成一個 |
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變成一個叫什麼 也不是鳳凰城啦 阿里隆啦 鳳凰城是Capitol阿里隆變成一個阿台積電城阿里隆的台積電城變成這個樣子 整片都是喔這麼多廠商在那裡你們這個稅務要趕快解決的話這個影響很大耶 部長 |
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我們知道對稅的部分雙方來簽訂這個租稅協定的話可以避免這個雙重科稅很嚴重喔所以這個部分這個部分我們應該是要積極地趁這個時機應該要促美方來重視這個議題但我相信他們非常重視來我們請今天的八大關股航空上來好嗎 |
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請董董回答董董董董董董董董董董董董 |
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他姓董又是董事長叫董董很多人不知道為我為什麼講兩次因為在董董董董是金頭腦腦筋非常好的要給你額入好你來兆富也賺很多錢可是我們看到最近 |
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因為大家要應付川普的412號對等關稅外資拼命的賣最近賣了你們拼命買可是你們買的很少賣了很多買的很少所以股價就一直跌你們知不知道現在關股最近買多少知道嗎 |
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抱歉,因為我沒有參與這方面的投資處的事情你們現在賣幾十億而已啊,人家賣七百億啊現在是沒有護盤吧,現在是沒有護盤加減護盤啦,沒有護盤,你是給陣友說瞎話啦,沒有護盤來,我現在比較詐欺的,比較詐欺的,只是聽我八位長官啊,大長官聽好喔你們一到三年份的加薪都沒有發,為什麼? |
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531.179 |
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550.294 |
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報告委員因為整個財政部是我們的大股東那大股東沒有加薪情況之下我們身為的壓值公司請問你是關股公司你是國民事業還是還是民營化公司我們是販關股的事業你們是民營化公司對民營化但是是民營化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
571.634 |
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啊 名話奇怪 台積電也有我們政府的關股喔國化會的主委就是台積電的董事台積電他就已經加薪了為什麼你們可以不加薪那個台土書啊 這三家可以被諒解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
582.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
但是你們其他的都是不能被諒解的你們公司治理董事會決定該加薪就加薪為什麼要拖為什麼一定要跟著政府走呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
606.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
包委員我們的股東結構不一樣啦因為在台積電裡面關股還是占少數嘛但是關股在我們董事會裡面占的是多數但是沒有過半嗎是啊但是在董事會裡面是過半啦所以在公司治理上的話我們還是要尊重的你們的關股在董事會裡面過半 |
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607.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
622.873 |
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所以 所以就只能按照政府來走 是不是對 報告委員 其實我們只是晚一點發但是如果哪一天 就整個公務人員調薪的時候我們當然會回溯的所以這沒有可以回發的問題 只是回溯的問題我知道啦 可以晚一點發啦 財政部來 部長 部長 |
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632.202 |
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652.207 |
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其實你們都是刻意的晚一點發都是為了配合大罷門晚一點發啦沒有這樣的事啊當然是啊你們本來也可以發按照我問了主計長主計長告訴我很清楚的本來就可以按照舊的來發 |
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654.771 |
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671.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
您說我們一般行政機關的公務員當然因為我們還是按照舊的發那另外像台土書三家國營事業的金額他們已經跟公務員的薪水脫鉤了也不會有說現在總理說我夫人也不過了請問你什麼時候可以發這個要問主計總署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為現在萬物齊漲啦 現在電價也要漲 水價也要漲還要再回來問那個董董 齊校獎金什麼時候可以放 |
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我們的獎金它有一定的期程啦什麼時候?績效獎金應該已經發了吧?我們年終獎金已經發了幾個月了績效獎金沒有發?沒有發?不用錯了,年終獎金沒有發,績效獎金沒有發我們有預支一個月,但是五月份的時候會發然後會跟員工酬勞,員工酬勞吧大概發幾個月?我們全部獎金加起來大概九個月九個月?全部全部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
沒有沒有報告委員是九個月是九個月我們以往曾經但是因為去年請問後面幾位啊因為我時間到了後面幾位啊比趙鋒還少的舉手我都比趙鋒少喔所以沒有比趙鋒多少一個月的舉手比趙鋒少一個月的舉手少兩個月的舉手少三個月的舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
751.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
762.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
稍微少兩個月啦 你會怕命咧 招風都可以發這樣子喔你發這個 最後一個小問題 最後一個小問題來來來 核庫金的董事長 林董事長 來來來從你上來以後啊 以前合作金庫都是在前面數一數啊從你上來以後都是倒數第一名啊 你們講一下本地的 為什麼這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
777.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
778.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
跟委員報告 核庫最近幾年有在調結構啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
795.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
817.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
都不差 雖然不是怎麼樣 但最少不會最後一名可是到了2024年你來當董事長 最後一名原因是什麼我告訴你原因 大家都知道媒體寫的是什麼就是員工在抱怨 你都在只賣保險其他業務不要只賣保險所以落井落海 水水到這樣 你不要調整一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
833.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
跟委員報告這個部分在賣保險是所有金融機構都在做的事情集中在賣保險這其中一部分不應該集中在這裡啦你業務要分散一下嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
834.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
848.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
是你要不要去跟董董去研究一下會跟董董再請教你來當董事長這樣 才六歲啊最後一名啦 難看啦 你董事長難看不好看 好不好 |