| IVOD_ID |
159427 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159427 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-20T09:41:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-20T09:51:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/51071748fba5feb01742b7d926a89a1156c3f89dc79e7a25ec8388057f36d6284c7f6e4539bc04505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:03 - 09:51:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 我請一下部長 郭部長委員好部長好 部長您上任到現在將近8個月嘛 對不對超過超過8個月了 適應這個環境嗎 |
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漸漸融入漸漸融入我覺得今天您的回答剛剛前面兩位執政黨委員問您的話題我覺得您感覺上非常非常的謹慎不太像過去的郭志輝先生部長我想我還是針對最近大家關心的議題總預算沒過其實對於 |
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台湾整个环境来讲其实影响非常大第一个水电这个就是大家要首先面临到的问题台电的1000亿波普没有在立法院通过那台电的累计亏损已经到4229亿元了这个累计的亏损越来越多就您经营一个公司这么久 |
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如果這個虧損達到這樣這公司還能活得下去嗎他如果不做一些體質上或者是財務上的調整這樣的公司經營得下去嗎報告委員如果以我的經驗來講 |
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從各個管理面我們來看這個問題是到底今天造成目前的負債是什麼樣的原因我要知道原因才能夠找到問題然後這個找到問題我才能夠對症下藥好嘛那你一定知道台電的原因是什麼嘛對不對就是 |
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動漲造成所有的一切都是動漲 只漲工業用電只漲民生用電 只漲用電大戶 千度以上的那所有的民生用電全部動漲的結果立法院也不給撥補 也不給漲價什麼都不要 |
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那台電的虧損就會越來越多嘛是不是這樣那我要請教就是說未來我認為調整電價應該是勢在必行啦雖然電價審議委員會還沒有開會但是調整電價應該是勢在必行調整的幅度到什麼程度這個可能還要經過再更詳細的討論嘛部長您同意我的看法嗎完全同意好 |
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如果您同意我的看法 我覺得經濟部現在下一步要做的是應該要去研議你們要如何降低民生用電跟小商店因為電價調漲所帶來的負擔 |
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你們要怎麼樣去做要怎麼樣去減輕他的負擔有一個東西叫做節電補助但是這個節電補助呢預算也被凍結了那預算凍結的理由是因為要叫你們考慮這個核電重啟所以要叫你們寫一個報告然後要到立法院來專案報告以後節能補助的費用才能恢復所以節能補助很快的他可能就會 |
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沒有這些設備沒有這些錢可以用那民生住宅小商店的電價又要漲昨天曾文森董事長說啦如果台電用韓國的電價去收費的話我們到2024年其實是可以盈餘1539億你就微幅調漲你如果比照韓國的電價是作為微幅調漲其實是可以有盈餘的 |
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部長如果您看這個表您會怎麼做這個是昨天曾文森講他昨天已經講過了我現在要聽一下您的意見我沒有去看到這個命題我現在把這個PowerPoint放在您的眼前讓您看來文森你要不要那個曾董事長你要不要你要補充說明嗎請董事長補充說明 |
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那個報告部長還有報告那個委員喔我是拿現在韓國的電價然後就是2024年韓國的電價然後套在我們的用電度數因為它也是民生電價和工業電價分開計算是我知道所以如果你依照這樣韓國的這個電價的幅度台灣會漲到這樣的幅度嗎會不會 |
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我們應該是不用漲那麼高啦我們當然剛才委員所關心的這個CPI的部分我想我們這個是院長也有指示我們希望努力讓國人在物價的通膨上面不要超過2%那電價的調漲多少會影響因素所以我們會想辦法 |
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然後來這個努力然後來調整那調整當然是要這個電價委員會的同意不過我們會去細算用什麼樣最適化的不是最好但是最合適的這個方法來提出來然後來請這個委員指導這樣好 部長 |
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如果說您剛剛講的這個電價調整的部分還有有待電價審議委員會去審議那這個是你們之前也是您之前說的要到菲律賓去種綠電那這個報告已經送到經濟委員會來了我大概看了一下幾頁的報告我看完以後我其實不太知道到底經濟部在說什麼 |
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到底是可行還是不可行因為然後我看了幾大媒體的標題我看到晚上以後我就跟我的助理說那到底是可行還是不可行因為早上看的是不可行下午看的又說是可以然後到晚上看了我已經不知道他可不可以了 |
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結果現在又有一個標說 郭之輝部長不放棄 韓可行 未來的成本會下降到底菲律賓重綠電這件事情 除了你們送過來的報告以外經濟部內部有沒有經過很妥適的討論 很深入的討論它到底可不可以 那你說未來的技術或者是價格 |
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這個部分你的評估標準是什麼評估基準是什麼部長我讓您說明一下報告委員我想在這個地方謝謝你讓我有機會來說明那我們那一份是可行性分析也就是說去或者不去先做一個可行性分析我們認為這個報告顯示是可行的 |
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第二個有一些限制的問題我們在評估我變成要到實地去考察實地去了解才能夠再做更深層的這個計算那麼剛才講說我就回答你這個5塊5的這個問題 |
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我們的同仁他們拿的計算方法是現在日本從北海道送到本州的然後一個儲能櫃大概是2.5M的計算方式跟委員報告目前我們國內的廠商可以做到一個儲能櫃5M也就是兩倍 |
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日本他們現在可以做到8M那麼我跟日本的這個廠商對接過以後他們跟我講他們可以做到10M也就是說5塊5這個價格當儲能櫃到10M的時候5塊5必須除以4所以他的這個送電回來的價格大概只有1.25那你的10M是現在就可以做還是未來三年可以做 |
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您講日本說他可以做到10M 是現在可以做現在是8M年底會到10M今年年底就會到10M所以像這些東西我覺得在你們的所謂的可行性評估報告裡頭是沒有展現我想要再簡單的再問一題這個大概是跟我的地方上的建設是很有關係的因為預算被動預算沒有過新興計畫沒有辦法做 |
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部長這個你應該要去了解所有的河川疏浚水利署所做的這些河川疏浚的工作或者是水利的建置的工作防淹水的工作因為預算沒過很多的新興計畫是沒有辦法做的 |
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574.219 |
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那這個我希望水利署趕快去把它整理出來你們現在所受的影響有哪些我現在講的是六歸老農溪的部分全台灣類似這樣的一個新興的計畫河川的治理計畫是非常多的我認為你們應該把這些整理出來然後讓當地的委員很清楚了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
575.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
597.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
這個對治水對於防災會產生的重大影響啊不要大家在那裡預算山爽的啊然後淹水又來罵政府啊所以我是不是能夠要求水利署你們把你們這些防災防洪的新興計畫受到影響的全部把它名列出來可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
599.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
624.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個可以部長我想這個應該要讓民眾很清楚的知道亂山預算對於治災防洪會產生的影響對於我們這項新興計畫六龜老農溪過去88風災的時候受創嚴重還好這幾年有這樣的一個包括前瞻的治水包括各式各樣的治水的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
626.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
635.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那如果預算被刪了以後未來怎麼辦所以我請你們要趕快把這些東西整理出來要讓民眾清楚了解好嗎我們馬上處理謝謝 |