iVOD / 159425

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IVOD_ID 159425
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159425
日期 2025-03-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-3-20-3
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 3
會議資料.會次 3
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-03-20T09:36:02+08:00
結束時間 2025-03-20T09:46:59+08:00
影片長度 00:10:57
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 吳秉叡
委員發言時間 09:36:02 - 09:46:59
會議時間 2025-03-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告,並備質詢。 二、審查行政院函請審議「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」案。 三、彙總整理提出「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分審查總報告草案」提報院會案。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 有一些名詞的使用
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 要正確不要有這個置換的概念是第一個我還再一次的提醒中華民國是租稅法定主義也就是說我們國家要收的每一筆稅金每一毛錢都是必須法律有規定對不對是的都是有依法有據的法律有規定徵收你可不可以不徵收
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 當然不行所以沒有什麼叫超真嘛是是
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 實收數比預算數多嘛這才是正確的概念嗎是的所以我拜託你財政部所屬的單位以後不要用超增這兩個字可不可以是的當然是不能用超增我們每一塊錢每一毛錢都是依法克增沒有所謂的超增所以是實收數高於預算數對就是實收數高於預算數第二個我反對還稅於民的講法
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 無論過去或是未來有沒有要普發現金都不叫還稅於民啦還稅於民是要把錢還給繳稅的人那應該還稅於繳稅者才叫還稅於民嘛那我們是應該還最多的應該是台積電台積電繳最多啊怎麼會是大家普發呢
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 您到小朋友還沒有繳稅還未成年普發現金的時候他有沒有當然是有那他叫做還稅給他嗎不是啊所以不要再用還稅於民這四個字我也請財政部不要用還稅於民這四個字這是錯誤的概念這是一個誤導再來我要跟您講本院
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 審議預算我們有審議預算的權利但是我們沒有提出預算的權利所以憲法裡面明文規定立法委員在做預算審查的時候不可以為增加預算提案對不對就這樣
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 所以剛剛委員有講說你112年的時候有普發那為什麼現在就不可以就是你講的時空環境不一樣那誰來決定當然是行政權來決定其實預算跟人事是行政權的兩大核心
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 今天如果行政權考量台灣的經濟需要加速發展或是說我們的消費不振他無論是要發消費券無論是要發現金這都是行政機關的提案他必須先提一個特別條例到本院來審議經過本院審議特別條例通過之後才根據這個特別條例編列預算到本院來審議程序是不是這樣是的是的委員說的很適所以如果
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 立法機關脫法弄一個法律案其實他在搞預算然後來 在我來看這都有非常重大的違憲嫌疑啦那當然他現在肆無忌憚啊因為大法官會議的憲法法庭已經人數不足沒有辦法開庭啊現在也不知道誰來決定違憲啊所以這就亂了套啦 亂來啊
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 我們本席在財政委會今年是第14年我們的舉債上限曾經高達38點多將近上限40.6 馬政府時代
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 那當然因為我們的經濟總體成長一直在成長這幾年來財政狀況有變得比較好所以我們的舉債的那個比例佔GDP一直在下降現在只佔前三年GDP平均數的25.8%這是你剛講的跟當年的38.多那是差多少差了十幾個百分點
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 然後現在可以睜眼說瞎話說以前的財政狀況就很好現在財政狀況就很差先有立場再講話就先設見再畫靶我覺得這樣也不好就事論事所以我是覺得說你也很委屈啦因為我知道有一些民意代表很強勢你這邊如果你敢跟他回嘴說這有違憲之嫌恐怕他就不會放你乾休了但是我可以講
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 一樣大家都是委員我在看這就是違憲那至於該不該補發現金或是該不該發消費券其實歷屆政府都有馬政府時代也有蔡政府時代也有但是一個共同的特點都是行政機關行政權根據當時的社會需要去思考去研究之後來決定該不該發這才是正辦嘛
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 歷來都是這樣做嘛這就是我們台灣為什麼要有憲法的原因啊大家要照憲法走啊 不然就亂了套啦那再來 現在儀美論很多啊川普上任之後 他講的叫做對等關稅其實以我的觀點來看喔對等關稅反而對台灣有利啊
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 為什麼呢 因為台灣以前被惡霸中華人民共和國打壓很多的國際之間的條約都沒辦法參加國際之間的關稅領域什麼RCEP或是說什麼東南亞關貿協定都不讓我們參加都是因為政治上的原因所以台灣的廠商才會在20年前 20幾年前要
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 平民外移主要是移到中國去原因就是在這個地方他因為政治的因素打壓台灣的立場所以台灣這個國家的製造業他比較辛苦他常常他的關稅比跟他競爭的國家比起來是比較高的
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 那如果確實能夠落實對等關稅的話所謂對等關稅就是我們課美國多少關稅美國課我們多少關稅定義上是這樣那當然細節是要經過兩國之間的會商跟談判如果這樣子我們在關稅上就不會被競爭國家佔便宜
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 中國的鋼鋁美國不是要給他課關稅嗎說要課25%關稅嗎那一個禮拜中鋼應聲大漲奇怪了對他們課關稅為什麼中鋼會大漲原因是因為我們以前就是在繳25%的關稅啊那現在他把它拉到25%我們競爭地位就平等了嘛所以我們跟這個競爭的時候我們在外銷社競爭的時候就變成對台灣有利
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 所以有的人是先 反正我討厭川普啦我看他在支持台灣 他在對付中國 他很不爽他就找了一對一個理由 從中國那邊發動以美論然後利用各種管道滲透到台灣來讓大家都知道 是不是美國對我們很不好美國有對我們不好嗎我們每一年給人家貿易順差700多億 去年
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 賺了人家兩兆五千億的台幣國際貿易在邏輯上在原理上是要追求平衡的如果有一個國家每一年賺你台灣六七百億的美金的外匯那今年累月台灣也會叫啊這樣顯不公平嘛
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 對不對所以我是覺得我們一方面是面對國際現實我們要選邊站隊我們當然是要站在民主自由人權的國家這一邊一方面我們國家的作為也要讓人家看出是一個負責任的國家我們已經不是以前那種開發中國家那種心態對等關稅是一個很合理的標準啊細節當然要好好來談啊
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 那我們台灣要走出去如果對人家的貿易寸差這麼大的時候想辦法要多從他的國家採購物品或是雙方面的貿易經貿要繼續加深然後盡量在中間求取平衡所以大宗物資採購如果一樣的條件我們當然就應該優先跟他買能源的採購條件相同我們優先跟他買甚至國防武器的採購
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 那麼金融帳也一樣啊盡量雙方面之間我們要增加對他的投資啊所以賴總統就有呼籲說台灣的廠商如果你算一算覺得合理應該增加對美國的投資是不是有講過這個沒有錯我們應該國際間追求貿易的平衡是一個正常的事這是在展現台灣是一個國際之間負責任的經貿大國的一個態度
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 所以這個不是只有說因為美國要求我們不是因為這樣我們如果沒有照世界的標準在世界的舞台上面我們就不能跟人家講說台灣can't help
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 我們有能力幫助人家我們至少做到平等之後我們有能力還要再幫助更弱小的國家被打壓被欺負的國家這樣才是正確的心態嘛大家才會說你台灣人了不起啊走到哪裡都被人家稱讚我們這個護照出去那麼多國免簽才有道理啊那台灣如果不負責任就是要一個態度就是我就是打算佔便宜人家久了之後人家也不會高興嘛
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 所以我是覺得說現在的官很為難因為你的回答稍不得體或是說其實很得體但是只是你的用詞不照他的標準就有可能被霸凌現在都要求說公務員不要被霸凌但是有時候民意代表都會霸凌公務員霸凌官員
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 大家應該是在這個地方平等的就事論事我再次跟你強調不要偷換概念你們財政部所屬的單位你要通令什麼還稅於民啊 什麼超增啊這個在你們體系以後這個詞都不能用這個都是錯誤的觀念啦 好不好 加油 謝謝