| IVOD_ID |
159407 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159407 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T13:27:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T13:35:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8c54c3a2a864606d239fe1519e09d1f6fb046c84a64030c6d86cf5dcbc0b7422b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:27:20 - 13:35:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算決議有關勞動部預算凍結報告案19案。【報告事項】【如經復議則不予處理】
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於勞動部主管部分。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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跟委員會報告我們選擇結束之後會休息20分鐘給各位同仁用餐謝謝謝謝主席本席有請洪部長來請部長薛委員好洪部長好您上任多久了 |
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三個多月三個多月您覺得對勞動部的相關業務慢慢熟悉了嗎也必須要慢慢也必須要持續熟悉啊當然好那請教您今天在第六大項有特別提到業務報告裡面優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度那您知道現在很大的一個問題是什麼在這第六大項您知道嗎對不起因為報告上我 |
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就是我念給你啊優化跨國勞動力聘僱管理制度您在這一個大業務的情況下你知道現在台灣存在最嚴重的問題是什麼 |
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可能移工的問題移工管理的問題移工管理所以您知道現在這個目前失聯的移工人數有多少嗎最新的數據應該是9萬多對9萬多一直以來都居高不下然後又破了9萬之前8萬多就很多了那我們都束手無策嗎 |
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呃 當然我們從跟 我們跟那個好 沒關係因為本席時間有限先稍等 先稍等本席今天失聯移工問題先等一下有時間再回頭過來現在失聯移工數有90833人但這個是一個嚴重的系統問題它進一步衍生的也是我們的治安問題 |
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但是我们国家的资源流失什么资源流失呢就是目前我们这些失联移工这么多然后有些移工我们要遣返要让他遣返回他的国家逃逸的移工失联移工就是逃逸移工那现在有很多移工我们要把他遣返回去他没有钱然后就用了我们的什么基金您知道吗 |
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用救安基金對就業安全基金用了我們的救安基金那過去4年的這個統計呢用掉了我們2億1933萬收不回的收不回的有2億多所以剛剛這麼多的委員在那邊說哇這個被刪掉了800萬新手爸媽然後凍結了那凍結了當然是可以再解凍 |
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你這個800或1000可是這麼多年來這個移工遣返的問題你把就業安定基金拿來讓這些移工離開 |
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討不回來你也沒有在制度上去更新啊你也沒有去想辦法那怎麼這個錢你就這樣一直流失一直流失兩億多兩億多你在那邊糾結幾百萬幾百萬那所以本席要講的是 |
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我們這不是在糾結幾百萬這是不同的這是不同的項目我們都要盡力的做好可是那我要請你我現在沒有請你回答本席要強調的是那你這個都同樣是人民的納稅錢你這邊一直流失一直流失國家資源一直流失兩億多你不痛不癢四年來沒有任何的方案 |
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這個就是問題嘛本席要講的就是貪官永遠預算嫌少嘛但是清官才會預算我不接受把他講成是貪官我完全不接受我不是在說你我再說一個現況我不接受把他講成貪官執政的話你不接受沒關係執政荒誕失靈責任推給在野所以本席在這邊我們有做個更好的空間但我不接受把他講成貪官那麼多年來兩億多你們現在有什麼作為 |
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有什麼作為跟委員報告目前這個部分我們當然依照應該要負擔這個費用的包括是這個移工或是部長你身為部長都不知道你要他來回答本席可以告訴你 |
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這個移民署也一直給你們意見那你們就一直回覆沒辦法做到 沒辦法做到那好 那沒關係這位是我們的市長跟委員報告我是代理署長原則上應該要先從源頭解決移工失聯的問題那這個部分剛剛部長也有提到我們會從改善移工的勞動條件好 沒關係移工失聯你這個錢你不能每年這樣子 |
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那至於這個有關電付的這個收費的部分呢我們目前第一個是有加強罰則包括移工如果這個沒有這個你罰他他就是沒錢嘛所以然後本席在這邊再說一個很好笑的就是所以 |
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他就是沒有錢所以呢都給他寫了說那我回去會還你錢的一個借據所以現在抽屜有一大堆兩億多有多少張所以本席最後因為時間到了本席建議啊你為什麼不提撥呢因為 |
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移民署建議你們說要有這個保證金保證金可能會覺得剝削或者是他負擔不起沒關係那你就從他每個月每個月的薪資你一點一點提撥嘛提撥到你們算得出來嗎 |
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就每一次每一個遣返回去大概要多少是一萬塊台幣還是八千塊連機票連相關你收容他的一些吃的飲食的問題你就提撥嘛你提撥到一個量你就停了嘛那也不是保證金問題你就慢慢提撥這樣可以做嗎假如說用提撥的方式如果會增加這個移工的經濟負擔的話在過往的經驗裡面可能會增加他失聯的機率 |
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就一點點一點點累積所以你一個月提供他500塊增加移工他經濟的我說這是從過往的經驗來看增加他的經濟負擔的話就過往經驗可能會增加他失聯的機率他每個月可能就賺個幾萬塊那你500塊提撥500塊一個月一個月你一年多你大概就提撥完畢所以你這個500塊你覺得就增加他失聯的這點我 |
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我覺得你們要不要考慮看看但是好沒關係我們可以整體的在思考如果我們的建議你覺得不好那你拿出更好的辦法不是讓我們國家資源一直流失一直流失我們各種方法我們都願意來思考但是這確實是一個相當困難相當有挑戰的問題 |
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那你可以借鏡一下其他國家其他國家做得好的我們應該要效法嘛我們希望能夠從源頭上面來降低失聯的可能性這當然是我們現在在各種制度上設計上面我們必須優先來考慮的事情很好很好你的源頭如果可以降低我當然大家贊成但是失聯移工人數就一直增加 |
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然後每年一直累積我們的就業安定基金都拿去給這些移工遣返回去這個是事實啊委員 剛才的建議我們可以再我們這可以再做思考可不可以多久可以給本席一個回覆你們可以盡量討論兩個月給你們或三個月你總是要拿出辦法來我們可以一個月給針對這些相關的做法的一些評估可以給委員好 謝謝好 謝謝 |