| IVOD_ID |
159400 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159400 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T12:44:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T12:50:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8f8a7e36043be3e0dcea595bacfac0e47dee5d615e4ae620b2100f0c7800c801b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:44:16 - 12:50:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席本席有請劉主委劉主委學員午安午安主委請教您台積電赴美社廠請問審查過了沒審查了嗎 |
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就我了解他還沒有送審但他送審之前應該會要經過董事會的核定正式的核定目前我們董事會還沒有召開那未來的審查是不是一個過水還是就是一個形式不然怎麼我們 |
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這個台積電已經跟美國總統還有跟我們台灣總統都開記者會那個只是一個協議不是法律的依據法律依據還是要回到還是要回到董事會的核定跟這個跟我們投審會的審查所以也沒有說一定定案這是一個意願 |
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如果董事會大家的意見可以支持然後政府也同意的時候他才會付諸實現所以主委您是否曾經說過台積電赴美投資 |
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有三大原則最新技術不會過去關鍵技術不會過不准過去還有國家安全優先您是否說過對我說過說過所以您會堅持這個立場嗎會會堅持好那我們這個台積電到這個國外投資尤其到美國去他是否有實行所謂N-1的限制 |
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在從我們從國家安全優先的考量的角度下是可以用N-1來看這件事情的這一次會不會用這個 |
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這個是我給經濟部的建議你給經濟部的建議好那為什麼就在最近川普川普總統還有另外美國的一位發言人他們都講我們以後不用仰賴台灣了我們美國就有最新最好的晶片所以 |
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本席在這裡希望我們的主委未來在投審會的時候一定要堅持立場原則我們的護國神山絕對不能夠沒有變成護國群山還變成到美國去 |
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那現在本席就本席所知台積電現在是兩奈米嘛他們生產的在台灣兩奈米那已經在美國先前投資已經在蓋的是四奈米所以這一次去最多最多他就到三奈米吧 |
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對 這個是不能這樣看要看哪一年他現在才第二個廠現在是結構才蓋好嘛那到整個能夠量產最快是今年底最快是今年底那再蓋第三個廠第三個廠再蓋好才會進到第四個廠第五個廠那都是兩三年後的事了對對對所以他進到兩奈米一定是兩三年後的事了 |
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所以目前一定不可能進到2奈米目前沒有那麼快一定是在台灣的2奈米運作順暢之後他才有可能往外移動那即將要審查他們董事會通過以後我們因為連總統都開了記者會了所以您有沒有瞭解台積電投資美國但最近川普還特別強調不是1650億美元是2000億他這樣講那本席想請問 |
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這個錢台積電怎麼來會不會掏空台灣丟到美國去台積電投資在美國的場他資金怎麼來 |
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資金怎麼來目前是沒有這個並沒有在董事會討論過了那只是說在他會在審計委員會裡面做比較細的討論因為他的錢一定不夠這麼多嘛他的錢一定不夠那麼多世界各國也不會貸款給他那這就只能搬台灣的錢過去因為他很多錢資金調度會在美國直接就在地的調度了 |
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在美國在地的調度他自己台積電內部調度還是美國會借錢給他他會跟美國的金融業就像很多公司來到台灣投資會所以你判斷美國金融業會借錢給台積電台積電的信用等級非常的高沒有人會不想借給他 |
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我們不希望掏空台灣我們台積電是賺世界人的錢來讓台灣經濟發展讓我們民眾財富增加我們請主委一定要堅定立場有一點我要說明台積電的產能80%在台灣也就是說它的80%的投資在台灣80%的投資在台灣 |
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對 但是我們看的先進技術很重要技術過去 人才各方面所以我才會提出最後我想一個實驗問題它會不會入主Intel這個目前並沒有被討論過 |
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所以他如果併購或入主Intel是不是也會要審查呢這個也是要審查的所以目前沒有討論所以都是爆派的就是媒體在講而已其實他們兩個公司一個可以比喻成汽油一個是柴油兩個混在一起這個引擎是不會好的會壞掉的所以你也認同嘛代工跟這整個的研發不能拆開 |
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他們想拆開他們是這兩個都是兩個文化是不太一樣因為Intel是單一產品大量製造所以坦白講就我所知他有的地方還在比較手工那我們代工業是會依據客戶的訂單會有一個比較跳動式的生產所以我們大量的自動化在文化上就不太一樣因為時間關係最後結論 |
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主委一定要堅定立場我們不希望哪一天在新聞看到讓我們全台灣大家錯愕的結果好嗎 可以嗎可以啊好 謝謝 |