| IVOD_ID |
159389 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159389 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T12:11:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T12:19:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b83e59c9688f77bc40cea595bacfac0e47dee5d615e4ae620bef73f5eace86becf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:55 - 12:19:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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主席 在堂委員先進 列席的政府金融市場官員會長 公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們國發會劉主委和國土及離島處的黃處長和法治協調處的林處長請國發會劉主委及相關的單位 |
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好 主委好 兩位處長好那我今天要問的就是台電吸收的離島供電虧損達千億那國發會應該儘速依離島條例來撥補來 請教一下 主委這是最近的一個新聞台電虧損達4200億預算照三減面臨漲電價調漲你認為一般民眾需不需要電價調漲 |
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民眾應該是不希望 當然啦所以我們民意代表也認為說最好是要撥補然後如果要漲的話電務小店家盡量調的幅度小一點盡量不要漲但是就在我們上星期三月九號有個新聞自由時報在星期天他千億撥補渺茫 財務壓力沉重台電你追討一千一百億的離島補貼離島建設條例是不是國發會管的 |
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是不是行政院管我們代執行對你們執行你們是副主任委員嘛好這個基金好那為什麼要撥補呢你們看一下您知道台電的發電結構吧一般的火力發電高於平均電價成本2.78他高了一點點2.87其中燃油最高燃油高達7.3什麼原因因為離島這些地方呢都是小規模的都用柴油發電成本很高嘛所以台電是賠錢在賣電是不是這樣子 |
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是的所以我們的離島發電的虧損怎麼樣89年通過離島經濟條例它說離島用水用電我們中央目的事業主管機關審核後審核中央目的事業主管機關這個應該是經濟部要編列預算撥補資 |
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可是呢89年通過90年行政院說這個拜託請台電自行吸收好奇怪喔立法院通過的條例行政院居然說叫台電自己吸收可是102年到104年經濟部有撥補34億您知道嗎 |
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國發會知道嗎我不清楚國發會知不知道這個有撥補我們國發會沒有撥補沒有嗎沒有那我們看一下但是從105年開始又不撥補了行政院去函說不撥補了而且這個還告知經濟部但是2013年就是去年的經濟委員會審查預算通過一個決議那麼要求離島基金延逸撥補台幣的可行性國發會有沒有收到 |
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你們有收到,而且你們發函,今年就發函問經濟部你們1月14號發函問說請經濟部研議相關內容提供給國發會,有沒有想起來了來,處長說一下 |
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跟委員說明因為我們為了這個議題我們有發函給那個經濟部嘛對 經濟部的回應就是說希望離島基金來做撥補順便也跟那個委員這個做個說明其實以現在離島條例來講第14條的規定是中央目的事業主管機關審核後然後編列預算那以目前水電來講其實都是經濟部在編列預算來來來很好很好我們要請法治的林處長來 |
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那個是逗點目的事業主管機關審核後逗點編列預算撥補資林處長這個逗點後的主持是誰啊離島建設條例主管機關是行政院他只有說請中央目的事業主管機關審查審查完的金額告訴行政院對不對行政院一開始說你經濟部自己處理但是我們立法院要求怎樣要求要離島基金來撥補離島基金誰管的 |
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呃離島基金是行政院管的嘛對行政院管但是你是副主任委員你們負責執行嘛我們負責執行所以就當然問你啦這個預算撥補寫在經濟部說用離島基金來撥補啊你們同意嗎我們欸對 |
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跟委員報告這個我們有洽詢過台電那你們他經濟部發案來了說你們用理老基金撥補有沒有能力啊理老基金剩多少跟委員報告理老基金現在113年底剩8.86億那每年台電的 |
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撥補到離島大概是五十一到六十一 主委聽到沒有這一筆賬你們都清楚 但是你們是礙於怎樣 靠爹沒錢啦所以請台電說你們還是找經濟部啦 往下看來 我要不要往前跳 用供水虧損有撥補 誰撥補的是經濟部嗎 經濟部 是經濟部 好 那經濟部今天不在但是經濟部的水啊 一點點他就自己掏腰撥就算了 但你說的供電的虧損是多少 |
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五十億啊好那五十億你們補不補啊我們來看可以不補嗎主委你認為可不可以不補應該我們的額度是沒有辦法不管嗎那是行政院的事情嘛你認為應不應該撥補依法要不要補它不是法定義務這個是我們的法定義務是不是法定義務這還是中央目的主管機關負責的部分這是行政院建離島條例的法定義務好 |
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如果你們不撥補會遇到什麼情況你知道嗎如果台電國庫不撥補台電的民股可以提告喔有沒有可能林處長有沒有可能提告台電公司有民股啊你依法的法定義務你行政院不負責民股會告你啊有沒有可能 |
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好那告訴你來往下看所以目前離島的發電累計虧損的是1100億他決意要撥補的是2000年到2011年告訴你們還差了550億多後面還有2016年到2024的還要撥補所以加起來要那麼多好最後的結論了結論你來看一下往前跳你們看到沒有113年離島建設基金的決算剩多少8億8主委你們管的離島建設基金只剩這麼點錢 |
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人家要的帳是1100億 你怎麼辦怎麼辦 |
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這件事情並沒有到我這來我想是不是讓我去了解一下好那我告訴你怎麼辦往下看最後結論請國發會你繼續函詢經濟部去計算2012年到去年的離島供電的虧損數額問他一下問清楚到底這筆賬總共多少錢第二請你去找主計總處去研究一下預算是編列在經濟部的明年度的公務預算還是要撥補到你的離島基金用離島基金依法去支應這筆錢可以嗎 |
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這個找主席總督研究一下這我們可以來研究一下到底整個詳細的內容好那因為主席要我下台了我覺得最後說一句話就是你要知道啊如果是用離島條例的離島建設基金那是法定義務行政院送過來立法院不能刪但是如果你放在經濟部的公務預算我們去年把今年的就砍掉了這也是說給主席聽的謝謝謝謝 |