| IVOD_ID |
159385 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159385 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T11:51:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T12:02:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b89aa5ec2c680da7e3cea595bacfac0e47dee5d615e4ae620b465aa8e1d032cc685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:22 - 12:02:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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現在做以上宣告我們中午不休息延長開會時間至議程處理完畢好謝謝張偉我們是不是有請國發會主委劉主委 |
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蔡委員午安主委好主委那上午大概很多委員都跟你聊了包括台灣的半導體包括很多產業的佈局但是我覺得有一些跟生活比較有關然後比較增開的事情事實上也是我們國安會管的我們國安會就管國家的自經政策那我直接跟主委報告我們在講村裡的辦公室 |
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村裡的活動中心 我們現在好多村裡是沒有活動中心的那為什麼要沒有活動中心呢 因為我們內政部齁在補助齁 村裡齁 不管是活動中心或者是辦公室齁 反正就是集會所我們每案就補助400萬這個400萬已經20幾年沒有變了齁 那我們知道現在整個營運的 營建的成本都提高成這樣 |
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這個補助400萬這件事情內政部補助400萬完全沒有調整這造成說事實上我們單地中央補助這400萬對地方來說第一還是抽不出錢對整個地方來說他還是沒有辦法達到所以我認為這400萬要調整 |
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事實上就這麼簡單這個應該國發會站在你們的高度跟內政部溝通一下就沒問題了吧我們會去溝通啦但是內政部他可能要看他現在可動之的預算還有明年財劃法之後對 現在又卡到這兩個問題所以當然這兩個問題卡在那邊因為這些做現代的事都變歹勢了就變成醫療生命等境外的人來很歹勢但是溝通還是要做的狀況 |
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那這些狀況都造成整個的自愛難行那這是第一個第二個就是說因為事實上台灣我們的 |
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這個少子化問題這個很嚴重所以在這個少子化問題的嚴重是讓我單舉兩個這天下雜誌的一個統計數字在2022年全台灣就有179個村裡這個村裡是沒有小孩子的當年度沒有半個小孩子出生整棟喔 |
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就149個,然後你看幾乎每個地方都有新北26個,我們嘉義縣竟然是第二名21個,苗栗縣是9個那如果以另外一個數據來看的話有11個村以內是連鎖5棟連鎖5棟都沒有 |
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包括新北的平溪的青銅里啦 瑞芳的銅山里啦我們嘉義縣布袋鎮的考試里 梅山的這個壁湖村台南的中坑里 高雄岐山的中寮里連鎖五檔一個小朋友就沒有三星出來這個當然有好多的問題 少子化本身也是一個問題但是第二個就是說 呈現出來就是這個政科 |
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樽咖沒年輕人當然就沒孩子的三星樽咖為什麼沒年輕人就是因為樽咖的土地因為氣氛的關係高度的持分所以樽咖的建地算沒用去年輕人我如果要買房子我還是我伯伯伯伯都在家裡我可能去選擇民雄我可能去選擇鋪子但是我不會選擇在鄰近的溪口或者是六角為什麼呢因為我的樽頭 |
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我年輕人 我在那裡 我要去哪裡都沒辦法 都是緝昏所以這個問題需要被解決所以我們這一次在國土計劃法 我們在展延六年的時候我們有訂了第八條 讓鄉村規劃入法就是說未來縣市政府必須要就鄉村的這個研擬鄉村的規劃 |
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這是八條所以鄉村規劃要怎麼增加至少它的地目必須做有效的一個調整第一個 解決池噴問題第二個 讓他們這個增加它必須要有所謂的三生嘛要有生活生產生態 |
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這都是國安會主導的啊那我現在想要請教主委的是說好那我們國有計劃嘛既然已經有這六年的時間我們這六年的時間要怎麼做好鄉村規劃讓所有的真咖現在這個真咖的土地沒有辦法被利用的事情做一個解決 |
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委員講得非常有道理所以我這邊我來找內政部國土署我們一起來討論也跟內政部的劉部長我們一起討論看看怎麼樣去做好鄉村規劃那現在就我了解他們也有意願往這個方向去來做一個規劃利用這個6年的延展6年的這個期間好好地把整個鄉村規劃做好 |
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好 所以諸位我具體建議因為這個牽涉到的第一個持分問題也難解第二個地幕問題也難解那這個當然就是說找國土署當然也要找農委會的那個水保及鄉村發展署大概這兩個單位是必要的那重點就是說國發會是不是能站在上位概念的一個立場我們應該要針對這六年先把要進行鄉村規劃 |
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中央政府我們用鄉村規劃的一個設計的一個規劃費用這應該是規劃費用是不是要先匡列出來而且他必須要一套計劃這六年我們需要多少我們假設每年可能會有多少 |
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聚落會有多少村莊想要走鄉規要走鄉規的時候應該他有一個前階段的一些預算之後才會有後面人要去簽同意嘛對不對要有轉眼要有時間要簽同意那些都要時間要第一次一項的東西要先放出來好 |
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所以我覺得國發會這件事情至少可以先把這件事情先盤整好接下來再請國土署啊或者是農業部的這個這個水保局那邊讓我沒關係我們找內政部跟農業部來開會來討論這樣的事情好 |
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那這件事情就請主委那第三個議題就是說我們現在知道整個南台灣就是這個大南方的一個矽谷計畫那大南方矽谷計畫當然就是以高雄、台南以及嘉義他們要怎麼把這一個 |
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晶圓的產業現在整個台積電的佈局不管是在台南或者是高雄他們的晶圓的一個生產基地或者是未來在嘉義的封裝基地那這個地方是變成一個大南方的一個矽谷那所以交通的問題才重要 |
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因為我們說三葉起來,一定要貨倉齊流,要如何讓流通這些晶片要如何行山起來,要去封莊,封莊起來要去基調,基調要用貨運達成財處理,這都是很多學問的所以溝通的問題就要改觀,所以我們知道現在南科照跟高雄有一個S郎帶的計畫 |
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這S郎帶幾乎就是要南科到高雄那些整個園區包括沙崙園區包括南科包括橋科甚至到了高雄的小港那是S郎帶的部分那S郎帶就處理台南 |
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484.484 |
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502.372 |
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但是未來還有嘉科這一段嘉義 高雄 台南 到屏東啦四個地方對 到屏東 到屏東嘛到屏東好 所以這個S郎帶起來之後上面還有一段就是從太保到南科這一段所以主委你可以看這段是什麼這段是不是 |
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506.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
524.083 |
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我以為這條橘色的這條是什麼?37的延伸這條就是高鐵高鐵這條就是高鐵高鐵就是沿著台37線在上面台37線但是台37線你看只有到只有到這個太保這裡的燈 |
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526.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
546.538 |
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所以這一段好可惜因為這一段就是高鐵喔所以我們現在台37線的延伸就是所謂高鐵下面高鐵的高架的下面這條台座樓所以你看徵收也很方便這條坐起來很方便的你現在這一條你看起來是一個I型的對不對 |
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550.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
568.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以我剛才說SI,S人道,這條就是I人道SI是什麼?SI就是系統整合就是C啦C喔C喔C喔,不是死去的C喔C是什麼?C就是晶圓啦所以我講的這條SI的產業人道 |
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576.581 |
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591.783 |
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對不對,就是所謂的以後就是這個矽谷的一個重要的幹線所以我要跟主委說,現在既然有S人代要做,有台南、高雄、屏東,現在跟嘉義這條I的部分,第一年不分是不是也是要做 |
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592.324 |
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598.31 |
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要走 要走 因為這會經過新營流營嘛那邊也有很多人 維泰寶新娘 柳娘一直拚下去到新七這個整個又因為高鐵的橋下道路所以方便徵收 |
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619.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
所以做起來也會比較符合成本可以遵截然後又可以有一條筆直快速的道路以後所有的這個晶圓產業不管是要跑去哪裡要跑北跑南都方便 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
652.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
所以主委這點讓你來支持你來推動我們來支持啦我了解現在在做一個可行性研究啦但是可行性研究會拖可行性研究會拖所以我建議分段實施分段實施 好啊我們來跟一個對 你知道可行性研究它又牽扯到每一個地方有不同的環評的條件該環評還是走環評但是不用環評的地方可以先分段為實施比方說我們太保到新營這一段 |
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676.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這個就沒有返品的問題因為它中間比較沒有經過一些人家說的失地的地方我認為像這種可以跳開返品的我們應該就要先實施可以這個可行研究一過就可以做分段實施了就可以跳開照圍的方式來跳開那就請主委來規劃一下SI產業人道最好SI產業這樣提供廢物住地我們就是一定要拚好謝謝謝謝委員 |