| IVOD_ID |
159377 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159377 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T11:32:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T11:43:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b82bdb9946e8ffce166ce92bacf16b99bf9ba850061ce77509b2b7e68c96004cff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:56 - 11:43:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況暨「四年期國防總檢討」，並備質詢。） |
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我們有請顧部長今年國防部的預算增加將近400億這是歷史上的一個新高事實上這個三減的幅度也是最近幾年的新低今天我們駐美代表余大雷 |
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有一個華爾街日報的一個專訪今天最新的消息,他特別在強調啊我們台灣最近這十年啊國防預算已經翻了一倍了已經翻了一倍了可是呢,我告訴你前陣子啊,出現一個非常奇怪是不是有人到美國去告洋狀而且還說了謊所以導致 |
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美國國防部的這個次長提名人柯博吉說台灣的國會大山的這個經費令人不安 |
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怎麼會出現這麼離譜的這麼離譜的謠言跟委員報告您這個螢幕上講是3.46應該不對吧應該是3.84億吧終究把這個算進來也是近年來的新低對不對最重要是剛剛講的沒有不是新低不是新低不是新低84億不是新低最近幾年的新低最重要沒有部長 |
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最重要他是創了歷史以來的新高嘛我剛剛特別跟你講我們駐美代表為什麼要你現在講的是指預算佔新高那三減數沒有創新低啊最近幾年的新低啦我們預算一直在穩健的成長但是呢我們今年算的是84億你沒有算新低啊你這個講話也不對你說只3.46億是不對啦 |
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對啦 就是三減創最 你說不是歷年新低可是最近幾年的新低啦這個是學你們卓院長講的卓院長沒有卓院長一直在講說什麼凍結是歷年新高我跟他講過去光是有八個年度比他就超過了結果他改口是最近幾年凍結的新低這個我們接受啦 |
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沒有啦 部長現在不要爭議這個 現在最重要是你增加你現在還有一些針對性的刪減跟那個凍結 凍結還要經過大院專案報告還要能夠同意所以部長 那個抱電話問你 你已經坐過清管會主委 你也坐過國安會的這個秘書長你印象中有凍結的預算沒有被 後來被解凍的嗎 |
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以前凍結預算都在委員會就解凍啊沒有沒有在委員會解凍你嚴重被誤導了我去查了一次 院會要求凍結以後要院會報告以後解凍了很多問題是後來都解決您舉一個例子那我就不得不說那你舉一個例子哪一個案子要在院會專案報告同意以後才可以解凍你告訴我你隨便去翻每一年都好幾個案子不是專案報告啦那個部長你完全弄錯了 |
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立法院的立法院叫你去院會提專案不見得是一定是有專案報告可能是提了一個聽我講完聽我講完有兩個層次一個是你提了一個報告來就解凍了對不對這個是目前你可能最希望的連報告都不要第二個是 |
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就是你提了報告來以後 經過立法院的解凍像昨天我就很清楚跟交通委員會講交通委員會在上個會 去年差不多這個時候它經過一次的會議 它解凍了31個凍結案啊 |
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你已經當了經管會主委當了秘書長部長來我更重要我要問你跟委員報告您這邊凍結了899億去年才凍結2億都是委員會書面報告或專案報告沒有在院會做專案報告才可以解凍你的凍結數高達899億其中 |
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業務費的部分應該是佔了744億業務費是所有部位全部凍結的30%那會單獨叫你一個國安部長去那邊報告嗎當然是整體提出來以後整體就處理了嘛這很簡單你不要想太誤導最重要的部長你不是來張委員也不是院長我不曉得院長要如何主持這個到院會專案報告來跟你講從以前的往例啊這個解凍只要是你解決的問題為什麼會凍結 |
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就是因為我們每次問你們問題的時候你們要請答的時候不回答問題的時候當木頭人不回答對不對我們的調查權你們也不給我們所以是用預算權去凍結完之後叫你解決問題啊重點是你說解決問題就解決怎麼樣最重要的來我來幫王定宇打抱不平你講說那個預算被大砍我問你如果砍的是對的類銷專案買無人機對不對 |
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那個原因是因為美國他們自己本來報給我們多少116億對不對後來是他們自己改的啊改了55億那這個要不要刪減連王定宇都贊成啊對不對結果變成是柯建民出來講所以王定宇還罵他說你認知是不是有問題 |
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明明是美國自己的報價把他剪下來每一部分都很民主民高啊 當然是要刪減啊各位委員報告我們在外交官方委員會這些的都經過大家朝野在外交官方委員會大家都同意現在主要的部分是到了院會之後啊你比如說我一直在講的國外的旅費跟訓練費用的支出 |
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他最重要的就是他寫一個不得流用你這個不得流用就完蛋了我們現在我已經坦白講到國外協訓你現在講的都是歷年來立法院成立以來每一年都是這樣審議算沒有很多規定沒有流用的沒有不得流用這四個字出現過嘛通山的項目裡面沒有這樣子嘛我不要說要你下台我說我拿出來不要講一個如果有十次不得流用你要不要跟全民道歉 |
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不要講一次喔我去舉十個例子出來你要不要跟人民道歉通山的項目過去這個是立法院長久審議算的怎麼會沒有流用這個字眼呢這是預算法裡面明定的啊每一年都這樣沒有在通山的項目裡面去講不得流用的 |
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有 阿爸 部長這樣好不好 我提十個你跟前面道歉 好不好我提十個 你跟前面道歉好 OK 現在最重要的 凍結是可以解凍的部長你的責任應該是盡快提出解凍案我們院會或者是委員會趕快通過 趕快解決那問你一個比較重要 人民股關係的問題可是那個院會要求我們要花費百分之三十以上才可以去申請解凍那這個又設下了一個門檻三十 那現在已經三月底啦不就是差不多時間了嗎沒有啊 |
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議連的 部長 部長 你做一下顧為政務官啊 每一年禮拜都是這樣我們會遵照委員的指示 儘速提出解凍案 也希望院會儘速進行解凍對 就是這樣 對 你來這邊是要解決問題的 要倒退後來 問一個民眾現在最關心的 這幾天啊 有出現兩個很重要的議題一個說我們的義務役啊 要從一年延長為兩年 |
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第二個是女性可能要服兵役部長,這兩件事情有可能成真嗎?沒有沒有任何這樣的規劃存在沒有這樣的規劃?對,沒有當初這個,因為是四個月 |
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討論一段時間就變一年了嘛對不對這段時間美國有沒有關心希望我們自己防衛自己把定義延長到兩年我沒有接觸過美黃給我任何這樣的訊息那部長因為你應該任期應該還有三年啦你能不能保證在你的任期內不會我們的義務役的 |
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議期不會從一年變兩年我怎麼知道我的任期還要多 我是政務官沒有任期好 所以保證你的任內我們的兵役不會從 義務役不會從一年變兩年我們現在正在確實的檢討一年級義務役的訓練成效沒有做任何有關延長為兩年的義務役的一個規劃存在也沒有女性扶義務役的規劃的案子存在 |
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我給大家看一個數據這是國防研究院的兩篇報告都是2月底密集發的兩篇研究報告第一篇 志願士兵的徵選條件結論是什麼建立想實評估女性人力服役物役的政策開發人力的來源第二篇 結論是什麼女性服役物役是未來兵役制度改革的可行方案之一 |
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國防研究院是你國防部出席的你官方的智庫欸他為什麼要研究這個結論為什麼要女性要去服兵役國防院每個研究員都會發表他自己依據他的所認知的部分他的專業他做任何的一些報告案但這並不代表國防部的政策那你們前陣子還有聯合發清清楚楚寫嘛對不對 |
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你們也提出了一部分就是說要針對這個做研究啊不是嗎你信服一位啊沒有嗎我國防部沒有做過這樣的研究啊好啦部長現在最重要我剛給你看的都是數據聯合報的報導還有你們國家研究院國防研究院的這個報告我們做個結論部長部長我們做個結論我們時間主席已經站起來了我們做個結論所以你的任內你能不能保證 |
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兵役不會從一年變成兩年女性不會服兵役國防部現在沒有任何有關女性服藥服役務役以及要將役務役延長為兩年的任何規劃存在沒有這樣的規劃嘛那你的任內會不會推動變成是兩年我不知道我的任內有多長所以你不願意保證就對了我沒有什麼可以當四年這樣子的一個講話存在你的任內你不願意保證嘛現在就是要保證還是不保證 |
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報告委員 我剛剛已經一再重複了國防部現在沒有任何女性服務一無一跟一無一延長為兩年的規劃對 沒有規劃嘛 那你可不可以保證不會推動這個 |
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我們現在就沒有這樣子的任何的政策推動你意思是不會推動對不對不會推動你任內也不會出現這兩個我現在沒有做過要有做過要有這樣的推動的這樣的一個計畫規劃存在部長你這樣的答案是閃抖還是保證說不會推動我沒有任何的閃抖委員你這樣子一直在repeat一些這樣子謝謝張委員讓全民看看部長到底是說他在規避還是他不會推動還是會推動謝謝張委員的質詢那部長先請 |