| IVOD_ID |
159376 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159376 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T11:36:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T11:42:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b837d690f718783d01cea595bacfac0e479ba850061ce77509286f51d77010decd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:21 - 11:42:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月19日及20日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我請劉主委 |
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主委您身為台積電的董事法就是政府的法人代表你在2月份有去美國參加台積電的董事會那請問一下當天的董事會裡面有沒有討論台積電要擴大美國投資再增加投資1000億美元的提案 |
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有或沒有委員是這樣子喔因為我是台積電董事齁我依法要遵守董事會的會議內容的秘密啦請你能體諒那我可以用國安會的角度來看看台積電我沒辦法用董事的角度來評論台積電否則會影響到我現在得到的訊息是當天其實並沒有就是投資一千億美元的提案 |
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這個因為他是董事會的公司治理跟營業秘密現在講公司治理請問一下身為董事您什麼時候知道台積電有投資美國一千億美元擴大的這個我可以跟你肯定講這件事情的話如果是什麼時候的話我是比大家早知道 |
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所以你在3月3號白宮記者會之前知道嗎?是的那你是在董事會的時候知道嗎?我是跟我們上層的整個政府同時都知道的 |
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好所以你並不是在董事會裡面知道因為你剛才提到你剛才提到公司治理因為確實台積電其實它過去是一家公司治理非常良好的公司但是在這個案子裡面其實為什麼我會要今天要問這個問題因為 |
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非常關心台積電投資的就是他們得到的資料很確切在美國的那場董事會特別到美國去召開董事會但是並沒有這個提案而且呢也沒有任何的重大訊息的公告所以擔心這樣的一個投資的這樣的一個程序是不是有違反公私自理的原則那麼 |
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我先跟委員報告一般來講公司的正統做法他會在董事會取得一個概要授權不是細節授權那概要授權之後呢當他確定之後他會提出一個完整的計畫經過董事會的核定那董事會核定之後呢他才會 |
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但是如果在董事會裡都沒有討論但是就直接的宣布這也就是我們外界所講的因為我們的政府一直說台積電的投資是沒有外力的 |
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那麼如果這個是一個正常的公司的重大投資他照理說應該在董事會裡面先行討論然後對外宣布這是不是應該正常的公司治理的程序但是如果違反這樣的程序難道 |
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難怪外界會認為這有所謂的外力的介入是不是委員我剛剛只是跟您報告我沒辦法去表達董事會的內容但是我並沒有說董事會沒有討論這件事就是因為主委你作為政府法人代表這個其實不應該再隱瞞而且這個事情已經是公布它如果還沒有公布你是基於公司治理你不能夠先行公布 |
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公司沒有做重訓的公布你怎麼可以公布 可是這已經公布了那麼久了那另外我再確定一下因為後來川普接受媒體的訪問突然說這個台積電會有2000億美元的投資所以大家非常的驚恐因為剛才您也回答1000億美元是白宮宣布的650億美元事實上是在拜登政府時候宣布的所以加起來1650億 |
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可是當川普說會有兩千億美元的投資的時候一種可能就是川普碰轟他就自行的加碼另外一種是不是台積電仍然未來有可能進一步的對美國的投資包含投資英特爾 |
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這個問題我有去了解跟公司來了解這個狀況那因為他們也表達的清楚他們對媒體的回應說這件事是不存在那他們告訴我說他們現在的態度也是依據他們對媒體的說明內容 |
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311.657 |
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所以川普那2000億美元是口誤或者是他自己錯誤的理解我個人的看法他應該是把台積電未來進去所做的營運的費用都放進去或者是供應鏈進去投資的費用算進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
312.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
326.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所以基本上還是應該1000億美元再加上之前的650億但是每個公司都有營運成本會在那邊發生那每一年都會發生那這個發生舉個例子好了如果公司的毛利是40%100億在那裡就會有60億的發生那所以他會有不斷的發生加上供應鏈的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
330.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
336.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
好最後一句話阿媛也響鈴兩次就是身為關股因為我們還是最大的股東我覺得我們還是要嚴守作為您作為董事要幫我們政府的關股來做把關好不好是的這個我一定會努力做我一定會做到好謝謝謝謝阿媛謝謝 |