| IVOD_ID |
159344 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159344 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T10:36:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T10:44:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8a74bc88aba813fc36ce92bacf16b99bf8962b2f3400241f6179242d67ddf0c495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:29 - 10:44:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況暨「四年期國防總檢討」，並備質詢。） |
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主席 有請部長有請部長是 陳委員好部長好AIT處長古立言日前回應媒體的詢問有關這個川普總統的印太戰略那麼他說 |
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根據美國已經解密的印太戰略的框架那可以他們參考請問我們的同仁看了沒有這份解密的這個是不是請看請這次來說明一下 |
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委員好 有關剛剛委員所提示的這個機密版的這部分我們是不是可以在會後再跟委員做報告這個已經解密了但是我們獲得的在獲得的過程當中還是有一些獲得的程序上面我們後面再跟您已經在這邊了是 |
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是欧巴恩原来的国安会顾问他签合的解密了那解密了里面原来他这个是啊虽然是原来是列机密但是他不可以转给外国他现在机密解除已经转发了所以这个鼓励研究说请看这一份这里面呢把这个纲要版我先念给大家听啊这个英文的我们把它翻成他说目标啊是使台湾能够有效的 |
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部隊能夠發展有效的不對稱戰略以及能力以確保其安全免受威脅有韌性並具備有以自身條件與中國交涉的能力啊這句話接不接頭對不對話你自己的能力評估這份報告我建議大家把它看一下還包括日韓的那麼剛才這個 |
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在這個報告過程中間我們特別要跟部長在這個建言就是說我們現在的因為不管你是經常戰備應急戰備提升了我們這裡面有一個交戰規則那現在大家對這個ROE也都強調了可是過去我們發現這個我們都把它放到最低層可是對空軍來講如果你攔截並不是要接戰就是伴飛 |
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你的距離是多少500碼200碼還是允許他飛到20碼那麼海軍的艦艇半航以前美軍抗議因為我們接近到2000碼那大角度轉線都有可能碰撞像這些東西每天的狀況在變這個是需要有授權的那麼因此這個戰務令的法制化並不是光連山或是軍種作戰的 |
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跟我们的军法法务人员要有一个相关的互动那这个配套机制啊就是说战务令啊要发展作战指挥跟军法配套的机制也就是准则教范要落实到教育里面那现在这些东西在我们的子弹教育战院并没有授课 |
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ROE是行使自卫权以及主动攻击完成任务的权利那这个里面包括国防部我们的法律师包括国防大学就是法学研究中心战院职参教育以及联参要共同来修正因此所谓的授权并不是给低阶也就是说如果恒指所的功效因为某种原因不能发挥 |
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各作战区各军种他作战部队的权责划分下售这个需要我们将来啊要律定这个那么甚至就说战争法武装冲突法以及海洋法公约的专业法务人员这是需要纳入课程的而不是参谋的业务 |
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那么刚才前面有委员讲就是中共在2月26号在我们的这个经济海域那么这个做了一个临时的演训那么美方很多大家都有谴责或不同的看法那我们这个里面这次在船上的官员是引述联合国海洋法公约第56条58条但56 58 |
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是在經濟海域但是58條最後refer到第87條還是以公海上的權利好了那現在講用經濟海域那麻煩了我們經濟海域在圖上我們只有釣只有漁權的經濟海域因為我們跟國家重疊跟菲律賓跟日本跟大陸你要把經濟海域重疊區劃出來你才能引述這個條件 |
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那因此就是說圖像提供是很重要不是意識形態的那像我們陸軍是本土防衛作戰海軍他的接戰或交戰有攻海有領海那空軍的防空他有領空也可能境外的反制所以這些東西都跟圖跟ROE這有相關聯這個我提醒我們在這個部分一定要強化 |
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一定要從我們的法律師法學院還有國防大學的子參教育站院一定要把這個當作課程來授課而不是用部隊長他的主觀判斷那一定要法條依據那麼現在談到了這個COP我們如果今天去中心化 |
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其实去中心化的这个想定条件意思就是说你的指管中心有部分功能已经不能传导到下级部队了那这个时候的情织分享你没有接COP可是你要有一个CTPCommon Tactical Picture我举例我们的海马斯装备都来了但还没到30公里 70公里 300公里这个系统跟陆军现在的数位图还没有整合 |
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那同樣海軍的機動的魚叉飛彈 |
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它的射程跟這個互相涵蓋那目標怎麼分還有遠程的防空飛彈如果這個時候各單位的授權分成負責不能妥協就產生重複擊中目標或者是漏掉哪個目標這個部分是很重要的那麼因為時間有限了我後面就不再用戲圖我再下去後跟您的幕僚我們做一些建議我特別強調ROE要變成我們的課程 |
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一定要在国防大学或是法律系来教这个课程并不是连山的作业单位或是军种的作战单位他去定这个游戏规则因为过去我们办行连美军都抗议说你太靠近了那每天他不是定性的那空军的防蓝半飞 |
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500码200码老公游的时候搞危险动作搞到20码这个东西长官不授权飞行员不能自我做判断所以这个部分希望大家努力在ROE的部分纳入课程而且是作战跟法务要共同来协助那以上我提出建言谢谢各位 |