| IVOD_ID |
159333 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159333 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-19T09:59:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-19T10:09:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8d8da86eec6b25b8be72fe01be92077939fe1519e09d1f6f8962b2f3400241f618d508fe8f4599eb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:59:47 - 10:09:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算決議有關勞動部預算凍結報告案19案。【報告事項】【如經復議則不予處理】
三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於勞動部主管部分。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我們一樣有請洪部長來 請洪部長部長好謝謝委員上任三個月嘛感覺有點瘦了從立法委員到部長角色完全轉換了嗎必須轉換 |
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我想請問一下你還是立法委員的時候在審查預算的時候會有什麼樣的理由你會提出凍結或刪除部會預算的要求可能會督促部會去做一件事情所以我們現在你現在上任之後有我們委員們提的這些刪除或凍結你認為是怎麼樣 |
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是找麻煩還是督促確實在尤其是我們看到一些統統的一些統統的案子裡面其實不太容易在這個統統的案子裡面看到他是要督促我們去做某哪一件事情因為以前我們寫在那個凍結的案子他會讓你去做一件事情然後這件事情做到所以你也認為凍結預算是一種督促部會的一個手段嘛 |
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但是要看 要看凍結的事由你剛剛講捅凍的先不講啦但是認為說 預算服邊刪除是立法委員的職責嗎我說預算啦服邊 服邊齁那刪除這個服邊的預算是立法委員的職責嗎第一個我們 我們並不覺得預算有服邊啊我問你 我不是說你這件事情 |
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所以立委刪除預算是立委的職責嗎立委監督預算當然是立委的職責對嘛好這樣就好那我再請問一下你上一個通告的節目費用多少錢我現在應該是沒有你上次前兩天不是有去嗎那個沒有錢沒有錢沒有錢你就把你自己賣了就把你的靈魂賣掉了 |
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你不覺得我們那天在公然造謠嗎然後還很自然看一下那個 你看我覺得一派輕鬆嘛 |
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你是不是有說過育嬰留職停薪補貼是因為被凍結被刪除所以發不出來那個我剛有跟前面的委員說明了我那天確實有口誤主要被凍結跟刪除的是產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補貼那我確實那天講成是育嬰留職停薪的補貼這是我的口誤所以你現在跟大家解釋了嘛剛剛也再講一次但是產檢價跟賠產檢價 |
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但產檢價跟賠產檢價的相關的補貼被凍結跟刪除一樣會造成新手爸媽權益上面的衝擊跟受損好那我問你啊那育嬰留庭期間我們政府給申請人投保薪資的八成這經費從哪裡來六成是救保那兩成是公務預算六成是在基金嘛對不對對是救保基金兩成呢公務預算 |
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兩層是公務預算那我跟你講跟育嬰留庭的相關凍結的有五個案子都是我們民進黨委員所提的案子跟連署我認為這些委員都非常認真你有看到吧 |
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你覺得咧 你覺得他們這樣做對不對卓榮我跟您說了 因為我在節目上面其實我要說的是產檢架跟配產檢相關的這個津貼的補貼我其實要講的這部分所以你們 你也認為他們做的是對的嗎哪一個部分就是他現在 |
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供預算的部分跟育嬰留庭相關凍結的有五個案子我個人說明其實本來國會就有監督預算的權力跟權限這部分我們都尊重所以也有很多我們看到的凍結案他是督促行政部門去把一件事情做得更好但 |
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現在我們在很多這個公務預算的桶洞 桶山裡面我們看了這個相關的提案書是看不清楚也不知道他是我們要去做哪一件事情做哪一件經濟的工作剛才你已經講了不要講那個因為我們時間沒有很多所以我問你這是我們困擾的地方我們已經知道了嘛你可以提出來好不好 |
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你如果有這個自在難行你認為哪個部分不行我們在野黨都是開放的我們是憂心你們到現在是沒有提出來只是在那外面在那邊亂喊 |
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我們到現在沒有接到你們任何一個申請說因為你有這個統三這部分你們有自在難行的部分對於民眾的衝擊我認為你們各部會應該要把你們自己的困難拿出來我們也講了很多遍了到現在沒有看到資料啊所以不要再講這個好不好那我再問你啊 |
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這個勞務部今年預算多少錢預算增加多少錢今年應該是五十幾億吧58億嘛對不對那什麼理由增加58億還要說錢發不出來就是我剛剛講的你可以提出來我也很好奇啊對不對為什麼錢多了你們沒辦法做 |
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我們都做過立法院還是要說關於預算增加這件事情或者預算審議重點還是要看科目尤其是很多科目是不能夠留用的那我們增加的五十幾億主要增加的關於法定義務的支出所以法定義務支出不能夠留用到剛才說被刪減跟凍結的部分 |
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這個我們上禮拜其實我們之前行政院已經提出複議了可是複議被否決了但是我們有說啊你如果不行做我們可以追加預算不是嗎所以我們為什麼就是希望透過複議的方式可以為什麼要透過複議咧因為複議就是一個讓大家可以重新考慮的方式我們可以針對個案嘛不行嗎 |
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所以我們之前就是針對用復議的方式來提出希望立法院可以重新考慮大家可以重新討論你現在到底要不要提出你自愛難行的部分我們當然有自愛難行的部分要不要提出來嘛如果需要的話各種方式我們都會考慮什麼時候可以提出來我們各種方式都會考慮我只是問你什麼時候不是說如果需要的話我們各種方式都會考慮包括各種現在以核限的方式的進行維護民眾的權益我們都會考慮 |
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你直接提就好啦不用那麼麻煩啦對不對這樣違憲嗎所以你提出你提出自然難行是違憲嗎現在我們遇到最大的麻煩剛剛委員講到麻煩我們覺得現在最大的麻煩是民眾的權益因為這樣子的預算的刪減跟凍結受損這是我們現在覺得最麻煩的事情那你就提出來嘛對不對各種的做法我們都會考慮對 |
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所以你要不要提像我們這個委員會這邊來提出來我說那個邱委員我們各種核限的做法在核限的做法下我們都會考慮所以在委員會提算核限嗎 |
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這當然是相關做法之一嘛對 可是我們也不排除其他的可能的做法所以你們就是要你們就是要搗亂嘛我平常想你們不是要做事情不是要解決問題啊對不對我們現在開了一個門給你們走你們偏偏不走我們就是希望能夠把預算執行的好照顧民眾的權益這是我們最希望做的事情所以我們才之前開速力的爭取希望能夠你們也跟著這一台私塑電車一直跑一直衝不會轉彎 |
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我們是希望讓市政能夠順利那最近內政委員會在審查國定假日你有告訴劉世芳說你支持還勞工7天假嗎我跟委員說明現在國定假日的法規主管是在內政部 |
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當然這裡面牽涉到一些勞工放假的議題所以我們覺得在國家的討論國家的調整的這個議題上面從勞動部的立場我們覺得有正向討論的空間你當初還沒當公職人員的時候你主張七天假不應該和週休二日這個掛過在一起嘛對這是當時你的主張那後來你跟林靜怡一起提我們紀念日跟節日實施條例草案 |
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就是要加放六天的紀念假日你不能跟顧立雄一樣華麗轉身之後就把當初的話都推翻啊對不對 所以我現在就是希望看到你的態度 你的態度是怎麼樣我跟委員說明我們剛才其實說針對國定假日調整的問題我們覺得從勞動部角度在一致性跟公平性的原則下面理性討論我們覺得有正向討論的空間所以你贊成嗎 七天假 |
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我剛才已經說過你會照你的初衷來走嗎 |
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我想照顧勞工的精神其實當然都是不會變的對那你現在是在這個議題上在這個議題上面他的法規的主管部會是內政部那我們會願意來協助勞工相關的新生跟期待來你可以表明你的態度嗎我剛才已經說了我們認為在這個議題上面在國定假日調整的議題上面你是站在勞工這邊嗎 |
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我們認為有正向討論的空間你會不會站在勞工這邊我們當然都是站在勞工這邊我就要你一句話謝謝 |