| IVOD_ID |
159311 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159311 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-18T16:04:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-18T16:20:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1468b0c2f72abc7f3284185d98331c0f192e6bfb57ea0be4df39413b90fbabf7440e68855abdbf165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:04:51 - 16:20:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好院長好院長本期這次的總質詢首先要為這次零一二一地震的災民請願 |
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在零一二一的當天主席院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭去而且在上禮拜五的時候也應本席的要求馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案本席在那邊表示感謝這一貸款跟租屋補貼都非常的重要 |
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那你也提到不論行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算但是呢給災民的這個補貼樣樣不能少而且提到說要補助零四比照零四零三的這一種精神跟方式那我們當談到補助的部分我們先談災情的比較我想在數字上給院長參考一下 |
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因為呢 為什麼很多人說為什麼災水那個零一二一的這個部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡但是為什麼污損這麼嚴重主要有75%的這個老屋的存在所以都是老屋比較居多再加上這一次地震的強度我給院長參考一下在花蓮的部分它雖然是7.2度然後 |
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0121雖然是6.4度但是就觀測站的數字Gale這個數字來說的話也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分你去看看垂直向的最高的這個數字在南溪國小是569比起花蓮測站的209是兩倍多另外的部分呢以東西向最高的部分的Gale數據南溪的部分是861 |
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然後花蓮的部分只有256也就是南溪是花蓮的3.5倍的這種地動加速度再加上呢 房子老 |
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那老房子又多以至於污損特別的嚴重截至到今天早上我統計的數字紅單的部分有500件黃單的部分是1556件未貼單的部分是2065件總共加起來是4121件的污損4121件面對4121件的污損的部分 |
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要如何去處理當然陳金德政委也提到說要希望台南的善款先優先處理但是依照目前為止目前留下來的0206的善款12億其實是不夠的 |
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那不夠的原因是這樣如果說你處理黃單跟紅單或許還OK但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話就很困難這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音這是跟院長說明一下一個民間的污損第二個是公共設施的部分 |
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公設室的部分呢一個是南西的這個陸陶洋的客家聚落的修繕這個中央部會都去過了第二個是學校的部分是南藝大的這個校舍的修繕大概1.6億南西國中也希望原地重建學校的部分第三個是南西市場的部分的原地重建第四個是四大農會的一個修復的工程 |
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而這些公共設施的部分到目前為止就本席所理解也尚未核定那我在這邊說一下那個院長老實說就0403外界的關注度蠻高的他拿到的善款有16萬 |
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在零一二一的部分拿到的善款只有五千萬相差許多事實上從政災基金會的網站來看的話我覺得政災基金會到目前為止還是很重視零四零三網頁上還是貼了零四零三上面都沒有零一零二 |
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即便0102到目前為止已經快兩個月了這種情況底下我們是不是應該給0121的這個災民更多的溫暖就有兩個部分再比較一下院長其實我統計過你去花蓮看災的部分第一個時間點就到南溪我想大家都有感受到你的溫暖 |
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可是相對你去花蓮市災的部分到本席目前統計已經有七次之多你坐火車非常有誠意但是相對來台南你現在只來一次我不是說次數多一定有誠意但是如果時間有的話可能更多會好一點如果可以的話院長這兩部分的請求能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候來做一個核定之後來做一個宣示第一個公共設施的部分我剛剛列舉了那十項 |
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第二個的部分呢在台南市立有未待的情況底下在未貼單的部分中央的部分是不是院長可以指示政災基金會能夠多少予以補助讓災民能夠度過這次難關院長請說 |
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謝謝委員時間我們一定繼續來安排那0121之後我到了現場但之後總統也到了現場他關懷的速度一定次數一定也比我多那至於說我們跟地方政府包括跟黃市長陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用紅單黃單如何負評 |
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住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論那至於剛剛其他的包括學校學校我們也有兩千萬還有另外五百多萬的補助下去另外有一些剛剛列的之外還有江家古厝的文化的一些毀損我們也會另案來做一些補助 |
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你做一些必要的修補那另外你提到的那幾個部分客家的部分等等我想都會另案可以再做一個處分院長我在想你應該不會拒絕你應該會同意只是說既然我們要同意 合不合定快一點你就下去做個宣示譬如講以南溪國中的時候 政委跟我下去現在就合定一部分是評估費用而已 |
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那是不是就乾脆就說你就宣布說我就是要原地重建所有費用由中央來出就是這樣子阿沙里一句話就好你就下來宣布一下先把公部門的公共設施做個解決這是其一第二個部分未貼單的部分呢能夠做多少也對外宣布讓大家比較安心能夠趕快恢復生活秩序院長請回答因為這個數量多啊多到這個負評的時間也拉了長現在最接近的數字我剛剛就給你報告了最新的數字就是這樣子 |
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然後呢未貼單的部分就2065然後呢黃紅單就2056就是差在這邊而已政委請給委員報告因為台南市政府在2月6號就正式公告對這些的民宅受損的補貼的原則 |
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所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的拆除的就是按照徵收條例的 |
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這個內容我大概就知道了所以這部分就現在盡速把它評出來對 但是它現階段而言紅黃應該都不會有問題是有補助的內容現在argue最多就是未貼單的部分那我比較0403過0403未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款而有那我們正在經費目前就我知道大概還有20幾億之多是不是有可能有餘錯 |
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可以給予那個台南市政府在未貼單部分給予幫助因為這個部分其實在政委的時候的主持的這個會議當中也沒有全然的拒絕啦那如果說有這個可能性的話是不是能夠趕快有所訂案讓災民能夠有所移民各位應該是請台南市政府把整個賦品出來 |
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不足的部分中央能不能朝向協助的方向先不說金額多少 |
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應該要先看那個他整個評出來就我知道部分是不足的政委因為他估計他是原來是用每戶多少而事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小有有那個都有去看那個都有去看其實總體估計起來是不足院長麻煩這部分公部門的部門見早宣布然後私部門的部份見早提出方案各方的數據了解狀況也都相當清楚了那到今天為止剛好經過了對快兩個月了對 |
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我們跟主委來商量 我們跟地方政府來配合我希望我們在月底之前我們到現場 月底之前 好 謝謝就是整理這句話 月底之前 慎重提出另外一個部分 這個是屬於這個復原的部分 還有一個需要復興的部分復興的部分呢 0403的部分 當初我們中央政府投入對花蓮多重視投入了純五億的徵星方案 公關徵星方案 |
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但是目前我去中央觀光署要到只有要到兩千萬要到兩千萬也就是說這個區域當中它跟花蓮不是不同只有全然的需要觀光的收入而已它還有需要農業部的農業的收入農業跟觀光署最需要的能不能因地制宜就觀光跟農業的部分來幫這一次零一二一找出一個新的振興方案出來院長 |
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我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光但是您也知道東部就是一條路一條公路一條鐵道但是中南部南部我們各種的交通的方式不一定說比照完全比照所以程度是不一樣但是我們會重視完全重視那至於說觀光的產業如果受到這樣大的影響是不是交通部還要再繼續的去對 |
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台南甚至嘉義觀光的產業我希望有一個類似於花蓮的一個振興專案出來啦否0121啦所以觀光的部分還有農業部的部分部長在0121的部分我們景區的硬挺並沒有受到太大的影響但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少 |
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對,我們會從軟體的部分,也就是活動的部分,我們增加活動的經費,多辦一些活動來引客來吸引客人。交通的運輸沒問題,但是活動如果增加,讓客人多一些進來,這是我們應該要做的。部長,我只是提醒你一下,我相信零星的活動會有,民間也會有,我是希望說我們院裡頭以高度的話,整合成一個類似的振興專案裡頭,讓財民感受到中央政府, |
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的誠意啦我只是希望這樣子不同於花蓮但是也有一個振興方案啦因為我們已經復原了嘛接下來復興嘛我們跟國防署特別來討論這個事情麻煩好不好然後因為這個振興專案之外山區有一些不一樣的地方 |
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他有一個古老的問題目前我們已經有做一些長照機構長照機構的部分能不能加速那現在就我知道的部分預算也不足也差了九千萬我就跟院長報告一下請院長回去慎重評估一下是不是長照的這個機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性 |
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否則真的搬不出去第三個部分呢裕豐南河院長期以來的一個限制以至於山區沒有辦法發展它現在的用水的定位做一個調整之後呢它將來是有縮編的可能可以帶動這一個山區的地方發展也就是說它的整個振興的部分有三支鍵這三個方式一個呢因為正災來的振興方案二來呢長照機構來因應那些的高齡化的問題 |
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山來的部分呢這個整個保護區的一個縮邊也可以帶動山區的發展我請院長回去好好評估一下因為我現在講你可能不能馬上理解請您慎重評估可不可以謝謝委員如果真的影響到長照那是萬萬不得我們一定馬上做處理我們馬上馬上速度做處理那其他的關國元建議的部分我們也會同等重視好的那另外一個部分跟本席選區有所相關那兩位就先請 |
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另外一個部分在我們海邊的部分呢花很多時間在做太陽能那過去太陽能當中的這個綠能當中呢其實啊我在去年十月的時候就問過那個郭部長再生能源發展條例十二條之一的部分的執法有關於興建增建義務的這個裝修光電的方向就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加 |
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但是呢 國務部長在去年也有提到2025 20MW 8MW是屬於屋頂12是屬於地面型的部分的目標延後一年但目前為止地面型因為爭議非常的大只停留在5到6GW而已必須靠屋頂型 屋頂型已經達標了 |
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可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔這是第一個爭議地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉通常都在農漁村也就是說非人口密集區的部分它承擔了很多政策的負擔七股就是這種例子但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的大概有六成之多他們負擔反而比較少以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性但是 |
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這一個最近國土署內政部國土署在2月公布了這個執法建築法設置太陽能光電的這一個標準草案目前還在一個公告期60天的公告期你去看喔它要300坪以上 院長300坪以上可以設置光電只有10%而已而這10%當中我還請人家換算起來這300坪的標準來說的話增加裝置的容量大概多少 |
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只有0.15基高啊0.15基高啊這個代表沒有實質的效果嘛我們地面型既然已經沒有辦法成長屋頂型已經達標就計畫說屋頂型來補地面型的情況底下你這個又限縮到這種程度怎麼可能達到這個目標呢為了公共設施沒有到300坪你沒有可能達到這個目標啊 |
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更何況將來你如果又透過金融機構又落實ESG的責任的可能性更加不可能嘛所以現在在法令公告期的情況底下我們如果說像國務部長所說的2025的目標要延到2026我跟你講你2026這個目標一樣會再延啦一樣沒有辦法達到啦會變成這種結果 院長這怎麼辦啊報告委員我們就是朝著這個不延期的這個目標努力 |
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實際上實用狀況對呀不教學不上課就是頂點的用膝蓋都好一點這咋子謝謝謝謝委員 |