| IVOD_ID |
159290 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159290 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T13:07:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T13:20:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb8029e918f2715398ad7e46c29134393c19c9681c5de83954b530526dddbaabce5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:07:07 - 13:20:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、教育部、經濟部、台灣電力公司、台灣中油公司就「氣象變異致國內空品惡化，精進預報與跨部會應變作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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麻煩請我們環境部部長請部長陳委員好部長好首先先感謝你我特別代表這個關山鎮長還有關山鎮民來謝謝您合訂了這個我們台東縣關山鎮的這個畜牧分尿資源化處理的計畫 |
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那因為關山鎮其實也是它的米也是很有名不輸池上那它的環境呢其實也是很漂亮那但是就跟池上比較起來可能關山鎮最近的觀光有一些尾數就是 |
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在這個量化上有疏了池上一些我想有很多的居民可能到關山會有聞到這個一些這個豬糞的惡臭那我想這個計畫這個經費下去對關山鎮整個的這個這個空氣的這個改善是很重要的所以在這邊謝謝特別謝謝部長的支持 |
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那今天因為今天安排的題目是這個引述氣象惡化對這個空氣品質影響嚴重那本席過去也特別提出就是東港有這個鮪魚季那台灣到這個美 |
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每次到進入這個十月之後我特別給它取名就叫做空屋祭來提醒這個環境部要有對策那再來特別東部的這個特別是東部的這個衝擊影響很大尤其是我們這個台東的北南西在這個整個東北季風強風的吹襲之下揚起了這個紅白山我們吃飯要配紅白山那連這個市區都灰濛濛的影響這個民眾的生活 |
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那你們今天的這個內容相較於過去有顯示說好像真的有開始在重視這個問題我想在這裡也先表達肯定之意那但是我也同時提醒就是說最近因為可能之前那個風災的關係包括到太馬里地區甚至快到南環那邊整個這個陽城的問題又起來所以這個我們可能未來再同步再來討論看怎麼解決 |
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那事实上全球暖化跟这个产业经济的发展甚至在中国大陆的沙尘暴都是会影响整个空气品质的那这些都不是你们环境部的这个政策可以改变的这个我们可以理解那本席也认为就是说为了要改善这个空气品质在气象恶化的前提之下去这个精进AQI的监测那从而提出这个预警可能是 |
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治標不治本那根本的根本之計還是要控制控制控制空污的本土性污染源特別是在這個垃圾燃燒還有火災的問題我們從這方面來思考可能比較務實那部長 |
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你知道在各縣市的這個垃圾山常常會發生火災嗎那這些燃燒的這個煙塵跟黛奧辛對於空污的影響是非常嚴重的好像這個好像就是人啊這個急性中毒一樣這個一次性的這個高濃度的這個高危害的毒性物質的曝露 |
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那你们现在处理的这个气象恶化影响空气品质的部分这是属于我打个比方比较像是这个慢性中毒的问题那我相信说部长应该可以接受这个急性中毒可能大家会好像跟民众比较有这个切身关系也比较感受得到大家应该可以认同这样的一个论述那部长我要请教说那你到底有没有办法让这个垃圾山不要再发生火灾 |
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好 包委員 垃圾山第一個是要監控所以我們都現在在一些敏感危險的地方都有裝這個例如說紅外線的偵測儀然後還有自動灑水的設備但是其實就是幾個大的會發生火災那當然啦像苗栗前一陣子之前的幾個月前發生很大的這個火災所以現在這個的量可以說是大幅度的減少那我們事實上也是希望說明年年底因為我有對它承諾明年年底露天裸露垃圾山可以不要有 |
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所以這個就可以徹底的解決這個問題因為按照部長的面相看來其實算是很有福報的我想在您這個辟印之下您剛剛許諾的這個願景應該可以實現那再來談到這個垃圾管理廢棄物的非法棄置的事件是不斷的在發生那根本的問題其實就是出在最源頭的資源循環還有最末端的這個妥善掩埋的這兩個部分 |
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那現在看起來這個環境部好像這個有這個頭尾兩頭燒的這個現象啦那更遑論說這個掩埋空間掩埋場空間不足 |
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所以我們現在就是說既然沒有辦法去開發新的掩埋場那也退不動說活化舊的掩埋場然後非法棄置的事件不斷然後又不敢說嚴格執行就擔心這個垃圾沒有地方可以去就堆積如山 |
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那這個源頭的這個我想要請教一下這個進度就是有關於源頭的這個資源循環促進法的進度目前是怎麼樣那在整個法規的架構上你有提出說要打掉重練那到底這個重點在哪裡要請這個部長說明一下目前這個草案就是何時可以預告 |
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好 包委員這個我們經歷了很多的努力這個你說的6月8月10月都是我去年承諾的那現在的進度也跟各位委員說明其實第一個是我們其實進到院裡面跨部會的在討論當中那有些部會呢對於這個裡面條文有些意見但是現在快要收尾了我們希望在未來幾個月內可以先預公告所以目前按照這個時間的進度來看的話應該是要到下半年我希望可以趕快送到立法院來做 |
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所以大概今年其實就是意思就是今年其實就是可以讓這個草案公告目前的進度因為其實我們已經在行政院內部是走到最後一里路了因為之前那個我們送的時候也不一樣部會提出不一樣的意見我們必須尊重各個部會在協談當中結論就是今年下半年下半年一定一定會送出來因為這個會期可能來不及 |
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好 那我們很期待那還有這個尾端的這個掩埋空間不足然後根據環境部的資料截至2024年8月全國公有掩埋場景只有剩下354萬立方公尺可以用的空間我們的有害事業廢棄物的掩埋空間目前還足夠嗎 |
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目前的確委員說到的都是重點這種有害事業廢棄物現在已經有一些民營的但是其實各地的去化的量剛好都還在一個平衡之間那我們是希望說今年到明年有幾個新的焚化爐可以起來之後可以解決這個問題解決這個問題之後去化的管道或是掩埋場火化再利用管道通了之後其實未來的量這個問題就可以再處理 |
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我想你們有重視到這個問題是很好一關一關的在卡在那邊好那現在我們要進入了比較實質那也關心一下我們台東最後就是這個掩埋場活化緩慢的問題我想要請教部長台東總共有幾個掩埋場委員上面是13個我都幫你寫好答案你怎麼那麼好心目前活化這個掩埋場總共做了幾個 |
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這個我沒有掌握目前最先進 原來做了兩個哪兩個東河跟鹿野我看你是在民防你們這幾年來2016年一直到2022年 |
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就是我看這幾年你們全部全台大概多少300個300多個也蠻多你們才總共做了做了12個啊12個不多對啊台東佔了兩個嗎 |
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是 是 我們總共做了22個因為全台現在在營運中的掩埋廠大概有107個那我們活化有做了22個那台中我的印象裡是2個但是詳細數據但是你為什麼講不出來那2個是什麼因為沒有到現場去直接的勘察它的進度 |
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我其實也是聽不太懂你們做了哪幾個就哪幾個啊台東13個哪兩個你不會問一下你們單位都沒有人可以支援嗎因為我這裡資料是沒有喔你說有兩個我們現在資料是兜不起來的喔你是不是平常人緣不太好為什麼沒有人來救你都沒有人要支援嗎還是你記錯了根本不在台東 |
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我想這樣子來這幾張是我們Google這個台東野脈場呈現出來的狀況這個大家說台東好山好水啦但是部長你覺得這幾張照片這樣能看嗎完全不能看沒錯而且你要看喔來第一張是不是離海邊很近台東最漂亮的是什麼 |
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海灘不是海灘對就是海岸線整個都很漂亮嘛所以大家想只要颱風一來每次最嚴重都是台東嘛那颱風這樣一刮一吹這所有垃圾還有一些這些污染都跑到那個就跑到海水裡面去啦所以 |
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部長我覺得是這樣啦或許在未來我們焚化爐啟動那這樣可能會改善這個掩埋場的狀況啦但是這麼多掩埋了這麼多的垃圾而且早年沒有落實這個垃圾分類的問題所以他一定要先先去處理過這個挖出來的垃圾才能拿去燃燒嘛不然我們焚化爐很快就壞掉啦 |
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所以我想在這個同時我也不想說等你活化做完我覺得在目前已經啟動這個焚化爐啟動那同步做活化的這個同時我們是不是可以因應台東它是一個我們很我們大部分人就仰賴這個觀光在生活還有這個農業那你是不是可以同步來做這個美化這件事情美化我們台東的 |
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這些掩埋場我這樣的要求應該合理吧委員這個其實因為每個地方能夠處理的機制不一樣那也歡迎委員我們是不是下次有機會去考察一下我們可以一起去看那你們要下去之前當然你要做個排序我們一天看不完13個哪幾個最有問題我們最需要去看的那因為我要舉例比如說過去都立有個天空之境 |
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天空很美我們每次帶朋友去的時候想要欣賞那個美麗的天空可是呢我們覺得很丟臉因為我們必須先經過那個很醜的掩埋場然後還要聞到那個惡臭所以我想基於這個台東算是觀光重鎮所以我在這裡要求你們是不是在我們初步可以你們利用兩個月的時間請你們那個環管署啊盤點這個研議那如何這個來 |
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演繹這個如何美化台東所有的掩埋場這件事情沒問題但是我覺得要一步一步的去看等一下你不是環管署的吧他是環管署副署長新的嗎沒有沒有副署長原來的我以為換人了沒有所以署長是沒來是因為我要質詢嗎沒有是因為今天是空屋所以跟他們環管署比較沒有關 |
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