| IVOD_ID |
159281 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159281 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T12:43:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T12:52:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb1cd64526d111e9afad7e46c29134393c19c9681c5de83954a2a4a6212d4cdfaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:43:34 - 12:52:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、教育部、經濟部、台灣電力公司、台灣中油公司就「氣象變異致國內空品惡化，精進預報與跨部會應變作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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不要干擾會議進行是張維豪有請部長來有請部長翁委員好等一下我的那個PVT |
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部長我想今天本席其實看到這個會議的主題我的直覺就是這個議題氣象變異導致國內空氣污染品質惡化 |
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似乎就是想要護航現在民進黨政府的無能在整個能源的這個政策上面有很大的錯誤然後所以導致整個國內的空氣品質嚴重的惡化而竟然把這樣的因素推就給歸咎於是因為氣候變遷氣候變遷會造成空污品質的惡化嗎 |
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二包委員那個是氣象氣象是短的例如說這幾天的天氣這造成混合層的變低那是氣象所以我今天談的是一個短的問題還是談一個長的問題因為某一個圖盤這幾天空氣品質例如說改吹東風我們這個擴散條件不佳這是氣象的問題這天氣的問題氣候變天指的是長的10年20年所以這兩個是不一樣的詞 |
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所以氣象變異您認為說這也是扮演重要的一個關鍵因素為什麼台灣的這個城市的空氣品質會如此糟糕我們來看一下今天的空氣品質剛剛前面的委員有問過其實今天的空氣品質嚴格來說其實是不好 |
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這邊寫84普通可是我們看他那個細懸浮為例就是PM2.5 24.4這個已經是超標很嚴重了吧沒有沒有沒有我們如果說是跟這個WHO的標準來看的話WHO的標準是多少 |
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他建議是5但是其實是5我們24欸那個5很難做得到啊委員我們如果在花蓮也只不過只有7到8左右欸是是5很難做到對台灣來講很難做到對其他國家來說對不對有到7的8的很接近的這個其實別的國家都做得到為什麼台灣做不到 |
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其實我們在臺灣在鄰近的亞洲的國家我們比韓國好比日本差一點點但是我們算是已經在前面的我們來看看全球最污染最嚴重的國家這以2024年來講我們是排名54名排名54名意思是說其實我們空氣污染是很糟糕的排名第一名是最嚴重排名54名然後呢南韓是多少59 |
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新加坡94日本108我們如果要效法這個德國他們已經進入了無核家園人家也是103空氣品質比我們好得多吧你看日本他平均的8.69跟WHO的數字是非常接近的所以我們不要在那邊自欺欺人說我們現在的17.5或是平均20我們的空氣品質很好 |
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包委員這個是IQ Air這個是瑞士的一家做空氣淨淨機還有賣儀器的公司做的所以它其實跟我們量測的方法不一樣所以這個數據僅供參考僅供參考所以我們量測的數據也是僅供參考因為我們跟其他的國家相比我們也是不好啊它基本上它是拿著這個自動全世界最權威的數據我們來看 |
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對 你可以講說 這個不是最權威的數據我知道 我說請您可以提供一個最權威的數據全世界 有哪個國際組織提供最權威的數據來看看我們台灣的國際排名在最嚴重污染的國際排名裡面 我們是排第幾位麻煩請您會後 |
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要提供給我 好不好 一個禮拜之內可以還是在一天其實就給我 委員再給我們多一點時間因為要蒐集各國最新的要花一點時間好不好 一個月好不好應該是有些國際組織或是學術研究機構就有做啊報委員那個方法學不一樣我們是採用國際上最嚴格的所以你們都是找最有利於台灣的方法學嘛委員你不能這樣說我們是看數據來做事 |
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看數據嘛 所以嘛這是很清楚的數據嘛你在怎麼批評人家說這個是屬於民間的組織這個是賣什麼空氣清淨機但他做出來的數據跟我們的有差別嗎你看看我們今天來我們看我們今天24.4欸人家還對我們客氣了勒這是每天 這一天一天的如果我們看的是整年的不一樣所以我現在是今天呢所以一整年我們也沒有比較好來我們往下面看 |
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那麼本席現在這邊很關心的問題就是其實我們知道空氣污染與肺腺癌的關係是息息相關那台灣的肺腺癌的人數已經是超過這個前10年要多得多那麼我們這邊就不說了這個事已經是正相關這是大家眾所皆知的事情那接下來我想要講的就是說其實 |
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在其他國家也有在談是不是可以放空污假您覺得台灣有沒有必要放空污假這個目前我們台灣的嚴重空污的事件並沒有像這個印度這麼的嚴重印度那麼嚴重其實我們現在跟教育部合作有空污期他就可以適當的有一些及時的反應所以我們要到空污假的確目前還有一段的還有一段路要走目前來看的話因為他們是的確是非常嚴重 |
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是 所以部長您認為我們到目前為止還不需要放空屋價那我們的情況還沒有那麼嚴重我們要跟那個第一名前幾名的印度比嗎我們可以跟其他的國家比嗎好 委員北京 上海 PM2.5都超過平均年平均值是35那這個印度的這個大概都兩三百以上我們台灣最嚴重的頂多五六十就很嚴重了 |
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我們要跟好的學習見賢思其焉我們為什麼不去跟日本不去跟德國不去跟法國其他一些國家學對不對我們事實上我們的空氣污染就很嚴重啊就從中南部每次我開這個開車經過台中地區整個天氣就是霧濛濛的他就是他不管是天氣好天氣不好他都是這樣啊沒有這個你看到是藍天啊 |
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那個是非常非常少數的這是人家記者拍的所以我只是舉例剛剛還沒有講到就是台電的問題對不對你台電現在因為馬上因應核能核三廠二號機五月就要停止運轉剩下的那個3.5% 4%的電會要用什麼方式來因應是不是台中火力發電廠還要全要火力全開了 |
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這個到時候我們的空污會不會更嚴重報告委員燃氣基本上的空污比燃煤少很多而且它相對的很乾淨所以火力發電是燃煤跟燃氣是不一樣的所以部長我發現您的有些訊息也是錯誤的報告委員我沒有錯誤產生出來的污染物質它還是比核電要多得多所以委員你的意思是這個電廠可以蓋核電嗎 |
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我不是說這個電廠蓋核電我有說台中火力發電廠改成核電嗎我的意思講說核三廠和其他的廠現在我們在談核電研議的問題請問部長您同不同意您支不支持核電廠研議報告委員研議需要法規還有後面的核廢料的處理研議的法規是我們立法委員負責從您當環境部長的角度來看您支持核電研議嗎我們要打造一個更乾淨的家園 |
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我現在要問您從環境部的角度來看怎麼樣能夠提升改善環境的空氣品質我們支持低碳的能源 污染少的能源只是低碳您的目標就這麼小 低碳我們有可能淨零排碳嗎要努力 非常努力要努力 非常努力我看如果在你們民進黨執政底下大概不可能完成好 OK 今天質詢到這邊 謝謝好 謝謝讓他們努力一下 |